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#25 teeray

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:01 PM

It is effective, but not as a base... That is what the takeaway should be. SF wasn't running it as a base. They use it quite a bit, but it's not what they limit themselves to.

this is the simple fact that people are missing. the answer isn't "the read option sucks and should go away" any more than "the read option is great run it for all the plays" is. san fran got to the superbowl by running it situationally, sprinkling it in so change the pace. as we all know all to well, chudzinski ran it almost as a base set. that was the problem. great scheme, wrong (or inefficient) application.

i expect shula to run a much more balanced offense.


Nobody, in college or elsewhere, use the read option as the basis of their offense. No one run it every time or even a majority of the time. It depends on what the defense is doing.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:02 PM

Would you call six points and two turnovers an effective attack?


So the zone read caused a QB to overthrow his WR and a RB to fumble fighting for extra yards?

The Niners were one play away from winning the SB after putting up 31 points, folks. Let's not act like they lost 34-3.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:02 PM

If I were simple minded and didn't actually watch the game to see that the defense had no answers for the 49ers. The 49ers just shot themselves in the foot in the first half. The Ravens defense had very little to do with that.


Gotta disagree there. The Niners did indeed make mistakes, but to say the Ravens did nothing but benefit from poor execution by San Francisco is out there.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

So the zone read caused a QB to overthrow his WR and a RB to fumble fighting for extra yards?

The Niners were one play away from winning the SB after putting up 31 points, folks. Let's not act like they lost 34-3.


I actually faulted Randy Moss on that play more than Kaepernick.

But with that said, up until Haloti Ngata went out and the Ravens defense got gassed, that offense had as many turnovers as they did scores.

Fast forward to the end, and even with the Ravens tired, they can't punch the ball in from inside the ten?

Not a performance to hang your hat on.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

Gotta disagree there. The Niners did indeed make mistakes, but to say the Ravens did nothing but benefit from poor execution by San Francisco is out there.


An overthrow and a RB fumbling is an offense shooting themselves in the foot. A fumble by the QB because of a nice pass rush scheme or an interception because the defense confused the QB would be something I would attribute to a defense.

If you were a coach and the opposing team ran up and down the field on you but made mistakes, if you went to film room and thought you did a good job you would be out of a job fairly quickly.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

I actually faulted Randy Moss on that play more than Kaepernick.

But with that said, up until Haloti Ngata went out and the Ravens defense got gassed, that offense had as many turnovers as they did scores.

Fast forward to the end, and even with the Ravens tired, they can't punch the ball in from inside the ten?

Not a performance to hang your hat on.



So they score 29 points, only punt once, pretty much dominate the game except 2 mistakes which were a product of the offensive players not the defense, and you think the Raven's defense did a good job?

Ummm... okay.

"Hey guys, we did not force any punts, and gave up 29 points tonight because we did such a good job". LOL

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:11 PM

The read option has been discussed ad nauseum. Needless to say it isn't going anywhere, but neither is it going to be relied upon as a base offense by any serious strategic football mind. Just like any play/scheme that is used too much, it can be figured out and stopped. Sprinkle it in here and there, and it can have game-changing effects.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:12 PM

2 things that were mentioned in this thread that was 100% true

Skewed cause of our lack of success

And

Cause the 49ers lost

If those 2 things didn't happen, S.S wouldn't be saying this

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

Nobody, in college or elsewhere, use the read option as the basis of their offense. No one run it every time or even a majority of the time. It depends on what the defense is doing.


hmm... i grant you that. base set was the wrong word... but it's clear we ran it a ridiculously high percentage of the time. i'd be interested in a breakdown of percentages by snap comparing teams and formations... i'd be willing to bet we were top three in the league in the 2012 season.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:15 PM

The read option has been discussed ad nauseum. Needless to say it isn't going anywhere, but neither is it going to be relied upon as a base offense by any serious strategic football mind. Just like any play/scheme that is used too much, it can be figured out and stopped. Sprinkle it in here and there, and it can have game-changing effects.


I have yet to see a team that uses the read option as "the basis of their offense".

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

So they score 29 points, only punt once, pretty much dominate the game except 2 mistakes which were a product of the offensive players not the defense, and you think the Raven's defense did a good job?

Ummm... okay.

"Hey guys, we did not force any punts, and gave up 29 points tonight because we did such a good job". LOL


Till they lost Ngata and got tired, yeah I think they did a pretty good job.

You can't put it all on offensive mistakes.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

hmm... i grant you that. base set was the wrong word... but it's clear we ran it a ridiculously high percentage of the time. i'd be interested in a breakdown of percentages by snap comparing teams and formations... i'd be willing to bet we were top three in the league in the 2012 season.



Probably. But only 4 teams even ran it on a regular basis.

The way we ran it is not the way to run it. Everyone on this board seems to be basing their opinions on the read option by the Panthers success with it this season.

Unfortunately, the Chud way of using the read option is about the worst way a team can do it.

When you are running that type of offense, the defense will dictate to you before the snap when you run a read option or not. Not the original playcall.

If you are running that type of offense to it's full potential, you may run the read option 3 or 4 times in a game, or you may run it 15 times in a game. It all depends on what the defense is showing you.