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#76 teeray

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

The sequestration was a deal Obama made to get the debt limit increase. Obama's making this about tax revenues now just after getting the largest tax increase in history. That's why the Senate doesn't want to do anything...they can't. Tax REVENUE bills cannot originate in the Senate, that's the house. Sequestration is about spending cuts....ONLY.

President proved he's incapable of doing what needs to be done when he balked at being responsible for choosing where the cuts should be.

Closing loopholes has nothing to do with spending cuts.

Want to close loopholes? Have at it...but it has nothing to do with sequestration. Like I said...Reid cannot propose that because it's not the Senate's authority. Enough of the tax fairness crap. That's another discussion entirely.


Obama on multiple occasions has offered serious cuts to entitlements, he has a plan out right now that Congress won't even consider that has over a 800 billion dollars in entitlement cuts.

The reason Congress won't act on it is because it closes loopholes primarily for the wealthy and John Boehner would lose his speakership.

But, Obama has already offered legitimate cuts in his plan. All the republicans have to do is accept it or come back with a counter that is serious and close the loopholes that the wealthy take advantage of to avoid paying taxes.

That is why the Republicans are losing the public debate. They see a party that is finally getting the cuts they always wanted, but won't even come to the table because they want to protect the rich and their loopholes.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

And by the way, most of the Republicans voted for the sequester as well. Obama can't just do it. He may have come up with the idea, but Congress voted on it and passed it.

That is like someone saying "Yeah I helped murder the guy but it was his idea therefore I should get off". Doesn't work that way.

The sequester was established to force both parties to negotiate on a real deficit reduction plan. Obama has sent a plan, the Congress hasn't done poo. As usual.

And by Obama "turning down the cuts" you are referring to the Toomey-Inhofe alternative, give me a fugging break. If you can't see the devious purposes for that then you are blind. That is Republicans actually admitting "Yeah we want cuts because spending is out of control, we just really don't want to cut anything, we want Obama to it so we can campaign against it"

Obama is forcing the Republicans to the table. They can either sit there and try to pretend they aren't knee deep in this poo, or they actually work with the president and get something done.

The ball really is in the republicans court. Obama doesn't own this. Both sides put us in this position and it appears that only one side has been serious about averting it. And the other is playing politics.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:29 PM

Exactly what is it about a cut in spending that is so offensive to people? Are we to think that 3.8 trillion annually is not enough? Sequestration should be a beginning, not a disaster. Even if we were to believe that sequestration would actually "drop" the budget (which it almost always isn't a drop, but a reduction of an increase in spending) of 85 billion annually (in which it is actually closer to 45 billion annually) that still accounts for a measly 2 freaking percent of just the current rate.

DC has MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY to do everything they need. They don't need more cash to recklessly spend on something other than what they promised AGAIN. The Tea Party SHOULD hold this fuging thing hostage and let those assholes sit in the corner and cry about a smaller increase in their allowance like a petulant child.

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Edit: While the infographic states that "Obama is calling this a catastrophic cut", it should actually read "DC and mainstream media is calling this a catastrophic cut"

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

Interesting article about the Bob Woodward stuff. Clearly he wasn't threatened. And every major reporter in Washington seems to agree.



Bob Woodward has suggested that the White House threatened him. Many of his colleagues in the press corps aren't buying it.

By the standards of this White House, a statement like the one senior White House official Gene Sperling wrote to Woodward last week -- "I think you will regret staking out that claim" -- is both mild and familiar, reporters who have dealt with the Obama administration say.

"It's not a big deal. You've been yelled at by people in the White House, I've been yelled at by people in the White House -- I'm sure this has happened to a thousand people in Washington," Atlantic columnist Jeffrey Goldberg, who deals with the White House frequently, told POLITICO. "The whole thing seems like a tempest in a teapot."

"I get emails like this almost every hour, whether it's from the White House or Capitol Hill," said Chuck Todd, the NBC News political director and senior White House correspondent. "For better or worse, flacks get paid to push back."

Since POLITICO published the full email exchange between Woodward and Sperling, journalists from across the political spectrum have voiced skepticism over Woodward's decision to paint himself as the victim of White House pressure.
(Also on POLITICO: Exclusive: The Woodward, Sperling emails revealed)

"If this is it, I think many reporters — and I covered the White House for four years — received emails like this," Fox News host Bret Baier said on Andrea Tantaro's radio show today. "It was a cordial exchange for the most part, and Sperling is actually apologizing for a heated telephone conversation they had earlier in the day."

“I’m not saying the White House doesn’t pressure reporters all the time and put the heat on reporters covering the White House. I’ve heard many, many stories that they do," Baier continued. "But this particular incident and this particular email, I’m not sure that characterizing it as a threat -- I think Bob Woodward has a little bit of explaining to do about that characterization.”

Harold Maass, the online executive editor of The Week, likewise noted on Twitter that "the email that scared [Woodward] was sort of cordial." Outside the Beltway, Business Insider CEO Henry Blodget even wrote a post titled, "Oh, Please, The White House Didn't 'Threaten' Bob Woodward."

White House press secretary Jay Carney also weighed in on the exchange today, and said Sperling was being "incredibly respectful."

"You cannot read those emails and come away with the impression that Gene was threatening anybody," Carney said at Thursday's press briefing.
(WATCH: White House: Bob Woodward was not threatened)

The exchange between Sperling and Woodward started with a heated phone exchange after Woodward told Speling he was going to challenge President Obama’s account of how sequestration came about. But in his subsequent email to Woodward, Sperling begins and ends by apologizing for raising his voice.

In the middle, he writes: "I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim."

"I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is different," Sperling goes on to write. "Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously."

In his interview with POLITICO, Woodward said Obama would probably caution his staff against telling any reporter "you’re going to regret challenging us.’"

But Goldberg called it "a traditional wave-off."

"When people say that sort of thing to me, I don't take it as a veiled threat. I don't take it as a pesron saying there will be consequences if you write that," he said. "I take it to mean, 'You shouldn't go down that road, because you'll be emarrassed when you find it it's wrong.' That, or they're trying to wave you off the story."

Todd took issue with Woodward's decision to make himself a central part of the story.
"I hope the lesson young journalists take away from this is: This is not about you," he told POLITICO. "The story you are covering is not about yourself, and the minute you make it about yourself, the minute personal feelings get involved, that's when mistakes are made, and that's when there can be an appearance of bias."

National Journal editorial director Ron Fournier, who wrote today that he has received several White House e-mails and telephone calls "filled with vulgarity [and] abusive language," said the exchange was evidence of an ongoing decline in civility between politicians and the press, but likewise called it a "snowflake" in the larger story.

"This is part of a bigger systematic problem: Go up to the Hill and see how long you go before a press secretary tells you to 'F-off.' I bet you don't make it to lunch. And if you're a press secretary, you may not make it to brunch before a reporter tells you to 'F-off,'" he told POLITICO. "I only see the Sperling and Woodward exchange as interesting and relevant in the bigger story, which is that we need to start treating each other with more respect."

http://www.politico....72.html?hp=t1_3



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:51 PM

Exactly what is it about a cut in spending that is so offensive to people? Are we to think that 3.8 trillion annually is not enough? Sequestration should be a beginning, not a disaster. Even if we were to believe that sequestration would actually "drop" the budget (which it almost always isn't a drop, but a reduction of an increase in spending) of 85 billion annually (in which it is actually closer to 45 billion annually) that still accounts for a measly 2 freaking percent of just the current rate.

DC has MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY to do everything they need. They don't need more cash to recklessly spend on something other than what they promised AGAIN. The Tea Party SHOULD hold this fuging thing hostage and let those assholes sit in the corner and cry about a smaller increase in their allowance like a petulant child.

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Edit: While the infographic states that "Obama is calling this a catastrophic cut", it should actually read "DC and mainstream media is calling this a catastrophic cut"


It isn't the size of the cut it is what the cuts are. They were purposely designed to be so bad that it forced the parties to negotiate. They could easily find this amount elsewhere and everyone agrees on that, that wasn't the point. The point was that it was supposed to hurt so bad that a real bipartisan deficit reduction plan could take place.

For example, lets say you were cutting your families spending. Although it might not be a large part of your families overall spending you decided to cut your babies food and water.

It wouldn't be a large part of your spending so you would think it wouldn't be that big of deal, but it would be devastating when your baby dies.

That is a crude example and no one is going to die, but it is just making a point that it isn't the size of the cut, it is where the cut is taking place.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:55 PM

It isn't the size of the cut it is what the cuts are. They were purposely designed to be so bad that it forced the parties to negotiate. They could easily find this amount elsewhere and everyone agrees on that, that wasn't the point. The point was that it was supposed to hurt so bad that a real bipartisan deficit reduction plan could take place.


It may not be THEIR point, but it is the point of anyone else that wants to make sense. If politicians were actually serious about the welfare of those people getting the bad end of the cut, they would use the mouthpiece of every available news outlet to let America know that this 2% isn't coming out of THEIR dime but everyone else's for the purposes of political chicanery.

fug them. fug their antics. They can stew in their own fuging mess as far as I'm concerned. I would sooner let DC burn to the fuging ground than let them continue to run the rest of the country into the ground.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

And by the way, most of the Republicans voted for the sequester as well. Obama can't just do it. He may have come up with the idea, but Congress voted on it and passed it.

That is like someone saying "Yeah I helped murder the guy but it was his idea therefore I should get off". Doesn't work that way.

The sequester was established to force both parties to negotiate on a real deficit reduction plan. Obama has sent a plan, the Congress hasn't done poo. As usual.

And by Obama "turning down the cuts" you are referring to the Toomey-Inhofe alternative, give me a fugging break. If you can't see the devious purposes for that then you are blind. That is Republicans actually admitting "Yeah we want cuts because spending is out of control, we just really don't want to cut anything, we want Obama to it so we can campaign against it"

Obama is forcing the Republicans to the table. They can either sit there and try to pretend they aren't knee deep in this poo, or they actually work with the president and get something done.

The ball really is in the republicans court. Obama doesn't own this. Both sides put us in this position and it appears that only one side has been serious about averting it. And the other is playing politics.


Republicans in the house have passed two budgets/plans to deal with the sequester. Show us Obama's. Show us Reid's. Obama's just angry that Toomey/Inhofe floated the idea to push to Obama what Reid refuses to do. No wonder he's angry. Republicans I've said has passed two bills. It's in Reid's court.

Honestly...we republicans/conservatives are perfectly fine with sequestration. It's the liberals that are balking and looking at all talk when it comes to protecting their special interests. If defense is seen as special interest for republicans...entitilement spending must be a special interest for democrats. Crazy thing is...entitlements (medicare/social security/Obama's blue ribbon commission suggestions) aren't even a part of this conversation.

When the sky doesn't fall...what's going to be the new scare tactic Obama is going to use. Release criminals that are legal into society?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:03 PM

We actually borrow from China each month about the same amount as the "debilitating" cuts. What a joke

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

And Woodward isn't the only one getting treated like crap from the WH.

http://mobile.nation...to-you-20130228

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

http://www.politico....ooms-88256.html

In a single stroke, total discretionary appropriations will be rolled back to levels below 2008, the last year of George W. Bush’s presidency. Absent some compromise, the full long-term reduction over nine years will be nearly $1 trillion.


A good start

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:14 PM

And the Senate democrats version of the bill would've ADDED $7.2 Trillion to the deficit in 10 years per the CBO.

The sequester replacement bill proposed by Senate Democrats, and endorsed by the White House, would add $7.2 billion to the federal deficit over ten years, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).
“CBO estimates that S. 388 would increase direct spending by $62.4 billion and revenues by $55.1 billion over the 2013–2023 period. Thus, the cumulative deficit would increase by $7.2 billion from those changes,” CBO wrote in a report.
The Democratic bill would replace the $85 billion in automatic cuts scheduled to take effect on Friday with a mixture of tax increases and spending cuts to defense programs and farm subsidies. However, those spending cuts would be phased in over a ten-year period, whereas the sequestration cuts would occur this year.


Good grief. Teeray...you need to have a sit down with Reid.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:19 PM

They need to have one of these each qtr for the next 4 yrs

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:40 PM

So is it a rule that they have to call it something different every time? Because "fiscal cliff" sounded much more ominous

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:00 PM

I think they like the drama. Sequester just doesn't sound scary enough. They are all politicians and need to be needed. We are helpless without them.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:33 PM

I love how Obama whines about having these apocalyptic incidents every month or so, but in this case he's the one wanting a continuing resolution and postponement of sequester. Republicans are letting it go.

Crap or get off the campaign trail Obama.


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