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#46 jtnc

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:33 PM

That's debatable. Him just being in the game makes you change your defense. Stats only tell a part of the story.

Eh, defenses feared Anquan and Smith more.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

You're the one who said "he's 30 now." You were wrong, I pointed it out.

I'm not arguing that he's overpaid and I wouldn't have been too upset with letting him go, but you formulated a bad argument with a bad contract to Harrison.

Also, citing the Steelers as your example the year after they feel to make the playoffs also has a ring of irony to it.


I know he is 29 today....you didn't point that out. Fact is he should be refered to as a 30 yr old RB bc he will never play a single down at 29.

Steelers have a LONG history of with guys after they became stars. It is part of there model. Like I said, don't get too caught up in a direct Harrison/Williams comparison that you miss the real point.

If you run your business smart like the Steelers you part with guys before they are washed up. You do it for a variety of different reasons but you part with them. We are steadily doing the opposite.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:54 PM

about a month ago?



oh no doubt ray is good..but not elite. ap is the only true elite back in this game. (imo)

also he only had 59 rushing yards in the superbowl with no tds.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 03:58 PM

Last season he was -30 yards to Williams in receiving yards.

My point is really that he was a victim of the OL and the scheme, like much of the offense was.

Yes, he;s overpaid. Yes, he's almost 30. But that doesn't mean he's not and can not be a very effect RB. As a matter of fact I think both he and Stewart have "bounce back" years with Shula getting back to running the ball more.


My arguement isn't whether Williams could be effective or not....situation here makes arguing that largely irrelevant.

If I had to start a team from scratch to win this year and line up a RB to give 20 carries a game to behind a FB. Give me Williams.....but that has little to do with these talks if anything.

There aren't the touches or scheme or direction for Williams to sniff the money we are about to obligate towards him. Big picture, we could be better without him.....and I think Williams will in fact be given the ultimatum of taking a paycut or leaving.

The days of Double Trouble being this team are long over....Shula or your grandma at OC.....it is a Newton slanted O now

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:36 PM

Keeping an overpaid runningback on your roster isn't a smart decision; therefore, it isn't following a right model. Making him overpaid in the first place is even worse when there was a A+ backup plan in place already. F U Hurney.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

I've always hated the fact that JR claimed to want to follow the Steelers blueprint. It immediately placed our organization in the role of a follower and inferior, a little brother if you will. We should have always sought to establish our own unique and positive identity, to establish the "Panther Way".

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 06:32 PM

DWill and Stew together make less, if I am correct, than AP. If used correctly, behind a decent lline, they will produce compariable numbers. So I would not nitpick about our RB corp.

Yes DWill could redo his contract and help us out. And no one knows but him how he feels about that prospect. But IMO, he ain't going anywhere regardless of what some Huddlerz will have you believe.

If you believe we are only a couple of players, and some better luck, from being good. You are considered a homer. A fan with more enthusiasm than knowledge. The scerge of the earth.

However, if you take the popular stand and see futility ahead. You are considered a realist. A fan with the knowledge and foresight to know what the future brings. The skulls of the world.

The skulls would have you believe that failure is eminent if we don't follow their lead. The homer will tell you we are in a good place. Just enjoy the ride little buddy.

Truth be told. We're all just opinioated fans with a forum to express ourselves with like, sorta, minded fans of the Panthers.Hellz, back in the day, we rarely got to discuss our team with more than a hanful of fans at a time. Nowadays, you kids have all this interwebz thingy. 40,000,000 ways to communicate. Damm man, who needs all that info? 47,485 freinds is not a glorifying acheivement. And just how much time do you have to devote to your master to get through all that stuff? Sounds like one humonguous cult. I have a life. My phone may not ring for days, but I have a life.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:35 AM

"FUG THE OLINE, AN OLINE DON'T MEAN DICK , ESPECIALLY TO 30 YR OLD BACK"

A PARAPHRASE from CRA that proves my point even better than I did.


Thank you CRA.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:42 AM

Harrison was cut because Steelers is up againts the cap just like the Panthers.

In fact this offseason Panthers actually do go the Steelers way as they is also in cap trouble so they had to restructure vets to get more room and now cut Harrison like we cut Gamble. This is the year were we actually are doing the Steelers model so a odd example.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:30 AM

"FUG THE OLINE, AN OLINE DON'T MEAN DICK , ESPECIALLY TO 30 YR OLD BACK"

A PARAPHRASE from CRA that proves my point even better than I did.


Thank you CRA.


Nah, a totally made up statement you claim I think.

OL was trash last year....we need to spend money there NOT at RB. Highly paid RBs + bad OL = poor run game. Good OL + okay RBs = good run game.

The key to a good ground attack is NOT paying a 30 yr old RB HUGE money to be a roleplayer.....key is fixing the OL so Cam, Stewart, Tolbert and whoever can beast on teams.

Don't forget Williams was demoted in 2011 when the OL was solid. Scheme matters and so does what the coaches want out of the position....but you can continue to ignore that if you want and pretend like it is still 2008

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

Harrison was cut because Steelers is up againts the cap just like the Panthers.

In fact this offseason Panthers actually do go the Steelers way as they is also in cap trouble so they had to restructure vets to get more room and now cut Harrison like we cut Gamble. This is the year were we actually are doing the Steelers model so a odd example.


Steelers have a long history of parting with guys who are stars. You can't see the forest bc of the trees.

Carolina wouldn't of parted with Wallace either. They would have over invested at WR in a WR that doesn't suit what they do on offense.

Wallace is good but the Steelers opted to sign Brown who fits what they do on offense better. No need to waste money on Wallace so they part with him. Porter another example.

We don't follow the Steeler model....not how Pitt builds overall.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:35 AM

I don't believe for a second there's anything which binds us to the Steelers in any way, shape or form. As much as JR and some others in the organization thought they were wannabe Steeler executives, nothing could be further from the truth.

Comparing Harrison's release to DeAngelo Williams and his (not gonna happen because it does nothing to help the Panthers financially) release doesn't make any sense at all.

The OL was terrible, the offensive scheme was Pop Warner-ish which rendered Williams and Stewart largely ineffective the entire season.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:38 AM

I don't believe for a second there's anything which binds us to the Steelers in any way, shape or form. As much as JR and some others in the organization thought they were wannabe Steeler executives, nothing could be further from the truth.

Comparing Harrison's release to DeAngelo Williams and his (not gonna happen because it does nothing to help the Panthers financially) release doesn't make any sense at all.


As a June 1 cut...Williams would create comparably the same cap room and dead money. So how does the cut help Pitt but wouldn't us?

Biggest difference is Williams or Stewart wouldn't of gotten that contact to begin with.....see Brown/ Wallace. Overinvesting and letting guys play too long isn't the Steeler model

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:47 AM

As a June 1 cut...Williams would create comparably the same cap room and dead money. So how does the cut help Pitt but wouldn't us?

Biggest difference is Williams or Stewart wouldn't of gotten that contact to begin with.....see Brown/ Wallace. Overinvesting and letting guys play too long isn't the Steeler model


If Carolina drafts a RB or signs a backup in FA, expect Williams to be cut June 1, otherwise......

...and I agree with your second statement.... didn't say anything to the contrary except to mention the fact that the Panthers paid out the nose for both Williams and Stewart to essentially stand on the sidelines and watch...

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:52 AM

If Carolina drafts a RB or signs a backup in FA, expect Williams to be cut June 1, otherwise......

...and I agree with your second statement.... didn't say anything to the contrary except to mention the fact that the Panthers paid out the nose for both Williams and Stewart to essentially stand on the sidelines and watch...


Carolina already drafted his replacement. His name is Stewart. They then added assistance in Tolbert. They then lucked into the biggest running mismatch in the NFL in Newton.

All they would have to do is promote a RB to the active roster.

Cutting Williams as a June 1 cut NOW does no good. But they will IMO if he doesn't take a paycut....bc it will allow them to pickup FAs later on as the season nears as start and lots of guys not avaliable now will be then.

Williams can't enter the season at his current rate....no arguement or leverage for that


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