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Any realistic shot at Cordarrelle Patterson?

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It's still early. We all know what Suh can be. Good or bad. And at times last season, Fairley was damn good. If Det can help their Dline out by adding some Lbs and DBs, you'll see.

But can we wait that long? Can any team? McCoy, Dareus, Dorsey...I will give you Sedrick Ellis (who sucks) because the Saints have been playoff calibre since drafting ol boy.. I am sure more examples are floating around out there. My point is that drafting a "talented" DT in the first does not seem to do a lot in terms of making your football team make the playoffs and all that jazz. What can help us get there? Improved OLine and a weapon of a WR. Good defense is predicated on push rush off the edges, we have that. You don't need an All-Star DT, they do not win games Kemo and Isaac Sopoaga we the starting DT's in the super bowl. Drafting a DT high does not work out for you if you plan on winning.

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But can we wait that long? Can any team? McCoy, Dareus, Dorsey...I will give you Sedrick Ellis (who sucks) because the Saints have been playoff calibre since drafting ol boy.. I am sure more examples are floating around out there. My point is that drafting a "talented" DT in the first does not seem to do a lot in terms of making your football team make the playoffs and all that jazz. What can help us get there? Improved OLine and a weapon of a WR. Good defense is predicated on push rush off the edges, we have that. You don't need an All-Star DT, they do not win games Kemo and Isaac Sopoaga we the starting DT's in the super bowl. Drafting a DT high does not work out for you if you plan on winning.

I'd love to have Ellis. I think highly of him. Bad season last year but had always been pretty reliable.

But going back to your point, both teams were 34 D. I would consider Ngata and Justin Smith as DTs in a 43 D.

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I'd love to have Ellis. I think highly of him. Bad season last year but had always been pretty reliable.

But going back to your point, both teams were 34 D. I would consider Ngata and Justin Smith as DTs in a 43 D.

Meh..We need to get more bodies there, that is for sure...Fua is not it, and I am no Fua hater.I would really like for us to pick up a big run stuffer, no matter how old they are and draft a young guy to groom....just not in the first.

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Meh..We need to get more bodies there, that is for sure...Fua is not it, and I am no Fua hater.I would really like for us to pick up a big run stuffer, no matter how old they are and draft a young guy to groom....just not in the first.

Id hate to pass up another year on another DT but our situation is so bad that I am going to sleep at night wondering if it's best for us to add two veteran DTs through FA, so we can address a CB and WR through the Draft.

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i know kevin williams did good his rookie dude had 17 sacks lol

hey find some more dts that did good in their rookie year.

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i know kevin williams did good his rookie dude had 17 sacks lol

hey find some more dts that did good in their rookie year.

Raji? Not to say that many rooks arent successful at the position, I would say Suh was. I would say that most of their teams are not successful. It is not a position that wins you games, period. As long as you have two guy who don't get pushed back you can win. That is why you spend high draft picks on other spots.I am a believer that it takes 3 things to win, edge rush, protection, and weapons who can beat people. We have one of those.

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I think people are taking this "no projects" thing a bit too far, TBH. WR is one position where the player doesn't have to start day one to make an impact. Today 3rd receivers are as important - if not more so in many ways - than the two "starters" depending on the offense. Patterson has the ability to make an impact day one the same way Percy Harvin did, who won OROY without being a full-on starter.

Besides, it's every bit as important for us to find Smitty's eventual replacement as it is to get an impact player now. If Patterson can come in and be a productive 3rd WR as a rookie, gain some experience, smooth out those edges a bit, then in 2014 take over as the #2 and in 2015 replace Smith when he retires, that works out very well for us.

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Raji? Not to say that many rooks arent successful at the position, I would say Suh was. I would say that most of their teams are not successful. It is not a position that wins you games, period. As long as you have two guy who don't get pushed back you can win. That is why you spend high draft picks on other spots.I am a believer that it takes 3 things to win, edge rush, protection, and weapons who can beat people. We have one of those.

i thought they should have went after sammie lee hill...since its a hard position to develop...........but yeah i dont think dt is a pp like people are making it out to be. just get a guy who can stop dat run.

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I think people are taking this "no projects" thing a bit too far, TBH. WR is one position where the player doesn't have to start day one to make an impact. Today 3rd receivers are as important - if not more so in many ways - than the two "starters" depending on the offense. Patterson has the ability to make an impact day one the same way Percy Harvin did, who won OROY without being a full-on starter.

Besides, it's every bit as important for us to find Smitty's eventual replacement as it is to get an impact player now. If Patterson can come in and be a productive 3rd WR as a rookie, gain some experience, smooth out those edges a bit, then in 2014 take over as the #2 and in 2015 replace Smith when he retires, that works out very well for us.

People must think that big, fast, explosive and physical WRs grow on trees. A lot will depend on workouts, but if Patterson is the rel deal, this might be the best look we have at actually getting a WR with his potential this cheaply for years to come.

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I dont want a NT in the 1st or 2nd. Can get a vet in FA or a run stuffer later in the draft.

We need to go WR, CB, or LT in the 1st - 2nd.

Outside of the CB from bama I dont think there is a CB worthy of the 14th pick. Johnson wont be there at 14 either so no go on a LT.

Patterson is alot of risk at 14 imo. Dont like drafting WR that high that dont have good hands to go along with size and playmaking ability.

We need to trade down at all costs.

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I dont want a NT in the 1st or 2nd. Can get a vet in FA or a run stuffer later in the draft.

We need to go WR, CB, or LT in the 1st - 2nd.

Outside of the CB from bama I dont think there is a CB worthy of the 14th pick. Johnson wont be there at 14 either so no go on a LT.

Patterson is alot of risk at 14 imo. Dont like drafting WR that high that dont have good hands to go along with size and playmaking ability.

We need to trade down at all costs.

Yeah, we've used free agency and late-round draft picks for NTs since Kris Jenkins. How's that turned out?

Trufant at 14th makes sense. He's the second best CB in the draft who also possesses shutdown potential. If not him, then Alford will be available in the second (who's a huge sleeper).

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