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#76 CatMan72

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:18 AM

all teams draft w/ need factoring...

 

we do

To some extent, yes... it's a consideration - but successful teams don't let need overrule BPA. 

 

When the 14th pick came up if there was a HB and a DT on our board with the same grade or a very similar grade, then we would break the tie based on need, but according to Gettleman that wasn't the case. There was no WR that graded anything close to Star or KK on our board when those picks came up. 



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:22 AM

Drafting for need = failure.

Want an example? The Cowboys taking a center in the 1st found that everyone had a 3 round grade on, because they NEEDED a center. One day very soon, we'll all look back and laugh at the talent JJ left on the board while they were reaching to fill a need. 

 

Draft BPA and fill needs through FA, this is the path to success and so far this is the path we're on with Gettleman. 

 

If Gettleman is to be believed (and what choice do we have?) we selected the players we drafted because they were by far the BPA's on our board when our picks came up... it's as simple as that. 

 

Right now, on paper we don't need another LB or HB... but the minute one of our HB's or LB's goes down this will suddenly become a need and we'll be in position to fill it. 

 

We do need to find Smitty's eventual replacement, but reaching for one in the draft isn't going to get us there.

 

Drafting DT's at 14 and 44 was an example of one of those rare moments when need and BPA intersect. 

 

this is what my brain tells me. WR is just one of those things that i think you do better if you draft rather than address thru FA.
 



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:24 AM

this is what my brain tells me. WR is just one of those things that i think you do better if you draft rather than address thru FA.
 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean you should go reaching for one while ignoring much higher rated players on your board. 



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

the WR talk baffles me....

Only draft WRs that are projected like AJ Green....the others are too big of a gamble. Tons of #1 WRs come from the 2nd and 3rd rounds and didn't project like Green. Many have projected like Green and stink.

We need talent. Cam is entering his 3rd year and we have drafted no one....and added just Olsen. Trying to pimp 1 yr bandaids or gimmick roleplayers as building around him is comical.


This year, we either had to go WR in the first or second round to give an upgrade.

There was no WR that was valued over Star....so end of question on round one.

Now, in round two, what options were better than Short in helping this team? Hunter was gone...Allen is a slow #2....

Who should we have taken over Short? I am seriously asking, because I do see DB and WR as needing a tale t infusion as was expecting one of them in the second round.

Once we get to the 4th rd....the guys there are not upgrades over what we have.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

Agreed, but that doesn't mean you should go reaching for one while ignoring much higher rated players on your board. 

 

i'm not suggesting ignoring much higher rated. just don't be a slave to BPA. it can be as harmful as being a slave to addressing needs.

 

if an area of need rates lower than the BPA by a few spots, go with the need.
 



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:30 AM

i'm not suggesting ignoring much higher rated. just don't be a slave to BPA. it can be as harmful as being a slave to addressing needs.

if an area of need rates lower than the BPA by a few spots, go with the need.


Agreed...it depends how closely they are rated though.

I think Hettleman said there were none rated even Clyde to Star and KK....that they were clearly the highest rated guys on their board.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:31 AM

We're going to regret passing on Keenan Allen



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:35 AM

i'm not suggesting ignoring much higher rated. just don't be a slave to BPA. it can be as harmful as being a slave to addressing needs.

 

if an area of need rates lower than the BPA by a few spots, go with the need.
 

 

Yup, being a slave to anything is a bad idea - but BPA should be the priority because you never known when a need will arise. Nobody perceived LB as a need last year, but we're damn lucky we drafted Luke. It may seem like a waste to have used our top two picks on DT's but what happens in Dwan goes down? 

 

If Smitty goes down (God forbid) we're in trouble, but you can scheme around the loss of a WR much easier then you can scheme around the loss of a DT... not much you can do scheme-wise to stop a team from running the ball down your throat. 

 

I think you are much safer erring on the side of BPA then you are on need... attempting to fill needs through the draft almost unavoidably causes you to reach for players and leave other more talented players on the board. 



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:35 AM

To some extent, yes... it's a consideration - but successful teams don't let need overrule BPA. 

 

When the 14th pick came up if there was a HB and a DT on our board with the same grade or a very similar grade, then we would break the tie based on need, but according to Gettleman that wasn't the case. There was no WR that graded anything close to Star or KK on our board when those picks came up. 

 

Board goes vertical and horizontal.....NEED determines who on the horizontal board gets picked.  Board is different for every team.  Some really good players don't even get put up.  For example, TE and DT.  Need bigger at DT so DT was picked.  We already know Gettlemen had 3 guys showing up on his horizontal board.  Need dictated the pick.  I would argue their are fair odds someone like Hopkins could of been that 3rd guy discussed.

 

Same goes for most all of the draft.



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

We're going to regret passing on Keenan Allen

 

It remains to be seen, but we weren't the only ones passing on him and there's good reason for that. 



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

We're going to regret passing on Keenan Allen



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:37 AM

Board goes vertical and horizontal.....NEED determines who on the horizontal board gets picked.  Board is different for every team.  Some really good players don't even get put up.  For example, TE and DT.  Need bigger at DT so DT was picked.  We already know Gettlemen had 3 guys showing up on his horizontal board.  Need dictated the pick.  I would argue their are fair odds someone like Hopkins could of been that 3rd guy discussed.

 

Same goes for most all of the draft.

 

Yup, the board is filtered by need - I'm not denying that - but ultimately BPA rules the day. 



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:42 AM

Waaaah... I want it all, now! Jesus. We aren't 1 WR away from winning it all this year. Let Gettleman build up/sort out the damn roster. You people are caricatures.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

We're going to regret passing on Keenan Allen

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#90 DaCityKats

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:17 PM

Waaaah... I want it all, now! Jesus. We aren't 1 WR away from winning it all this year. Let Gettleman build up/sort out the damn roster. You people are caricatures.

 

everybody should want this team to win considering they have been rebuilding for several years and havent had a winning season since 08.but hey, whats another 4 years.





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