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#106 PhillyB

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:30 PM

so could we accurately say that to a huge extent, direct experiences shape viewpoints?



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:35 PM

no question. how could it not?

 

 

 

 



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:59 PM

yes, though I personally believe that reading and trying to understand others experiences can also shape your viewpoint.



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:04 AM

so could we accurately say that to a huge extent, direct experiences shape viewpoints?

 

how do you account for things like the myth of the welfare queen, something the vast majority of ppl who believe in such a thing haven't even come close to experiencing.



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:39 AM

how do you account for things like the myth of the welfare queen, something the vast majority of ppl who believe in such a thing haven't even come close to experiencing.



the fallibility of learned experience and interpretation of direct experience.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:47 AM

if "my cousin's friend's uncle's dad knew this black lady who kept having babies for big gubmint money and now she drives an escalade all over town on my tax dollars and that's why i vote republican" counts as a direct experience then idk what doesn't

 

but this is just a semantics thing so it's not a big deal. ppl are definitely swayed by anecdotes and isolated experiences, whether they are their own or others. similar to the way that people have a hard time visualizing incredibly large sums of money, i think they struggle to conceptualize 7 billion people and the incredibly large amount of potential, differing "direct experiences"

 

you're the anthropology guy so i'm going to pose a sort of relevant question: do you think that americans are so beholden to anecdotes and micro experiences bc they're just really narcissistic? is this a universal thing? is there anywhere i can go where ppl are broadly able to understand that their experiences are not necessarily indicative of the world we live in?



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:09 PM

interesting question, one I've been deeply pondering as of late. the process of ideological formation and data filtration and interpretation that underpins it is a subject I'm deeply interested (but as yet unqualified to answer with any real certainty.) I do have thoughts, but I will wait to expound when I'm not typing in an iPhone (because I'm not paying ATL intl. airport $4.95 for internet access on my laptop.)

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:31 PM

Once upon a time in fayetteville. Around the age of 12. I was actually jumped by 7 guys for a K.C. Chiefs starter cap(pre-panther era, 1990). All 7 of the assailants were african american. yet, i did not blame the entire race. How could I? In the aftermath of this Expierence, Me and several friends,(some of which were african american) walked side by side together to "get my hat back." I do believe many would just blame the whole race, for that sort of attack. But my expierences in life led me to another understanding. Just a thought. Fyi, we kicked thier asses. They got to keep the hat!



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:59 PM

Once upon a time in fayetteville. Around the age of 12. I was actually jumped by 7 guys for a K.C. Chiefs starter cap(pre-panther era, 1990). All 7 of the assailants were african american. yet, i did not blame the entire race. How could I? In the aftermath of this Expierence, Me and several friends,(some of which were african american) walked side by side together to "get my hat back." I do believe many would just blame the whole race, for that sort of attack. But my expierences in life led me to another understanding. Just a thought. Fyi, we kicked thier asses. They got to keep the hat!


I experienced the same as a 11 year old going to my first concert in Fayetteville. (Doug E Fresh, The Time, Houdini and UTFO)

Got my silver chain ripped off my neck...really tied my puma jumpsuit and kangol real well. I was 10 with another 10 year old and this guy was 18-20 years old and huge with a bunch of friends. I was like thanks!

Been jumped in project areas as I had friends that lived in those areas(Bonnie Doone for Fayettevillians)

Got in fights in school and was almost jumped by 45 guys at the mall where police saw it developing and drove me home..wow.

It only make me more sympathetic to the experience of anyone living in these areas as they are messed up.

There are a lot of people who are disabled and cannot provide for families and have to depend on these services.

Poverty begats poverty and the worst schools are in those areas with the worst teachers so unless one grows up in a bubble it is impossible to make it out of there(obtaing grades, scholorships)

The most promising guys I grew up with out there have become drug dealers, addicts, or a guy who did go to college and find success is selling predatory Title loans in Fayetteville(letdown)

You can make changes to your life..you just habe to know how to do it..it your parents and friends growing up cannot model this it is hard to make it happen on your own without outside guidance.

If anyone wants to volunteer to educate and guide urban low income youth and parents on how to make it...how to become independent from GOVbennies(which can hold one back bc minor work/financial success can lead to financial devastation) and how to move up tax brackets with little/moderate education then by all means do so.

We have a class system that is worse now than the last thirty years.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 03:07 PM

Until you meet each person in the States its kinda hard to put their psyche into a collective cup and pour out to see how it flows.

Trust me. As you get older your micro/macro view of things change. Your value of time and energy and relationships cause you to mitigate not only how your physical time is spent but mental time as well.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:42 PM

you almost got jumped by 45 guys?

 

 

 



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 06:48 PM

I really appreciate the stories on here. Some of you have lived some "colorful" lives and I recognize and appreciate how it has shaped your view of the world. I offer up that you folks are extremely brave "courageous probably is a better word" to share with the rest of us. I have to say and I am ashamed to do so, what  has truly surprised me by the lack of judgment/judging by the "Mob". Makes me think that maybe some of my perceptions might in fact be off...hats off to you



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:48 PM

we don't judge in the box. just demolish and then offer pie.



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 05:16 AM

interesting question, one I've been deeply pondering as of late. the process of ideological formation and data filtration and interpretation that underpins it is a subject I'm deeply interested (but as yet unqualified to answer with any real certainty.) I do have thoughts, but I will wait to expound when I'm not typing in an iPhone (because I'm not paying ATL intl. airport $4.95 for internet access on my laptop.)

 

 

welp while i wait i'll go further and ask you about the feelings in your field re: the impact of social media on ideological formation. never before has an average person had the ability to tell millions of ppl with the click of a button that he's just gonna day drink and then jerk off all day and not only find an audience somewhere, but also receive validation from other like-minded ppl all around the world (for example: the lovely ladies forum). a lot has been made of how facebook and twitter are magnets to narcissists (iirc there was yet another news article floating around the internet about this just a few days ago), but i don't recall seeing anything about how resistant to change ppl can become when they are virtually surrounded and roundly supported by internet friends in a way that never really occurs in real life.

 

politically and socially (going off topic a little here), i'm very interested in the implications of mass, instantaneous dissemination of media, some of which we're experiencing this very second (patriot act, nsa data mining, wikileaks, tor, syrian war porn, slacktivism, etc).. this actually might be a good paper topic(s) for any aspiring social scientists out there, though i'm sure someone's producing tons of research on this topic somewhere right now and (of course) disseminating it instantaneously through online databases and news media



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 07:23 AM

Even though we have a Facebook Politics thread, which by the way, I find enjoyable to peruse, I get the feeling that I am the only Huddler NOT to have a Facebook page/account. I don't find my life that exciting much less have a desire to share with the world what I think, am doing, etc. Huddle is enough by far for that kind of thing.


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