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#16 Eazy-E

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:14 PM

I don't get the rush to get average next season.  

 

Being Charlotte, we have to play the long game.  We have to get lucky. We have to be extremely smart and efficient with FA's. 

 

We have 0% chance to win the title next season. 

 

Most fans realize that the NBA's middle class is the worst place to be for a small market.  

 

Wanna go all in? Fine, trade picks and assets to Demarcus Cousins.  At least he is young.

 

We are never going to be worth a damn or relavent until we have a bonifide superstar. 

 

To SwagMan: Of course all those teams got lucky, thats what it is all about.  Spurs got "lucky" with Duncan, Cavs with Lebron, Durant with Thunder. 

 

I just have a personal philosophy of going for the best.  

 

Maybe thats why i got a much, much more better looking wife than a man of my means would normally get.  Patience. 

 

Even with Cleveland though, The had the #1 pick and took Lebron. They lose Lebron and boom #1 pick again and they got Irving. And of course they once again got the #1 pick and took Bennett. Point is we have sucked for almost 10 years and have still yet to ever pick #1 overall.

 

Edit: Even if we tank this season we will end up getting screwed by New Orleans like we did in 2005 and last year. Same records in 2005 and worse record last year and each time they got the better pick, and as of right now the better players. Kind of a joke but you hopefully get my point.

 



#17 kman72

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:14 PM

Yeah they got Durant the first yr they were bad. Got lucky the Blazers took Oden over him.

 

Then they got Westbrook at pick 4 and Ibaka at 24. 

 

So we have had a pick 2 (Durant) MKG pick 4 (Westbrook) Zeller Pick 7 Biz   pick 9 Kemba.... We have already tanked longer then they had to....

 

We need a dominant scorer down low, we have that opportunity to do so. Lets go get him! How many big men in the league can you say that can score down low as efficient as Jefferson? Not many 



#18 Chaos

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:18 PM


Maybe thats why i got a much, much more better looking wife than a man of my means would normally get.  Patience. 

 

You know the drill Brewski, do I have to spell it out for you?

 

Pics or stfu



#19 GotSwag?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:21 PM

...and maybe, just MAYBE, the organization is happy with a core of Kemba, MKG, Biyombo, and Zeller and figure in 2 seasons, we will be better off signing Jefferson and maybe JR Smith, along with the possibility of 3 draft picks...rather than tanking and HOPING and PRAYING we land Wiggins or Parker and HOPING we get lucky like we have with Jefferson and have FA's interested in coming to Charlotte.

 

Kemba

Smith

MKG

Zeller

Jefferson

 

w/Biyombo, Taylor, draft pick, draft pick, draft pick, FA, FA (which we will have enough to sign a big time player and would be much more likely to do so)

 

or

 

Kemba

Wiggins

MKG

Zeller

Biyombo

 

w/Taylor, other draft picks, FA with ton of money to spend and not even knowing if this is guaranteed

 

Sure, id be cool with Wiggins, but if we pass up on Jefferson and Smith, and still dont get Wiggins or Parker(everybody else in that draft im not so sure can be a superstar - we'll see) then we wasted a great opportunity to become a serious contender.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:22 PM

Even with Cleveland though, The had the #1 pick and took Lebron. They lose Lebron and boom #1 pick again and they got Irving. And of course they once again got the #1 pick and took Bennett. Point is we have sucked for almost 10 years and have still yet to ever pick #1 overall.

 

Edit: Even if we tank this season we will end up getting screwed by New Orleans like we did in 2005 and last year. Same records in 2005 and worse record last year and each time they got the better pick, and as of right now the better players. Kind of a joke but you hopefully get my point.

 

No I definitely understand your point.  

I am one of the ones who scream about the lotto being rigged every year. 

 

But, I kind of feel like we are due. 

 

If it is rigged, then maybe they could make a decision that NBA would benefit the most from having the 2014 Hornets to be the young, exciting team in the east.  Might be unlikely, but its a risk I am willing to take.  



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:27 PM

...and maybe, just MAYBE, the organization is happy with a core of Kemba, MKG, Biyombo, and Zeller and figure in 2 seasons, we will be better off signing Jefferson and maybe JR Smith, along with the possibility of 3 draft picks...rather than tanking and HOPING and PRAYING we land Wiggins or Parker and HOPING we get lucky like we have with Jefferson and have FA's interested in coming to Charlotte.

 

Kemba

Smith

MKG

Zeller

Jefferson

 

w/Biyombo, Taylor, draft pick, draft pick, draft pick, FA, FA (which we will have enough to sign a big time player and would be much more likely to do so)

 

or

 

Kemba

Wiggins

MKG

Zeller

Biyombo

 

w/Taylor, other draft picks, FA with ton of money to spend and not even knowing if this is guaranteed

 

Sure, id be cool with Wiggins, but if we pass up on Jefferson and Smith, and still dont get Wiggins or Parker(everybody else in that draft im not so sure can be a superstar - we'll see) then we wasted a great opportunity to become a serious contender.

 

I was with you until serious contender. Maybe contending for playoff spot. 

 

That team is still not better than the Heat, Bulls, Nets, Knicks, Pacers.

 

Of course, signing FA's this season could have always been the plan.  

 

But, I can understand the urge to field a competitive team.  Maybe, I have just been so used to losing that I don't mind it anymore. 

 

I just know the NBA is a superstar driven league, and it is something I want for the Hornets so badly. 



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

You know the drill Brewski, do I have to spell it out for you?

 

Pics or stfu

 

 



#23 Zaximus

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

Actually most fans don't realize the middle class is worst.  Most fans want a competitive team that is fun to watch and making the playoffs after being in the basement for a decade actually sounds pretty good.  The Hornets in the 90's built up a huge fan base because they had fun/competitive teams that could make the playoffs, and even though yeah they didn't go deep, they led the league in attendance for a while.

 

Which brings me to the next point.  Selling seats.  Do you think this team sales more seats with Jefferson this year or without?  This team MUST start making some money, soon.  I don't think we have the luxury of waiting another 5-10 years for a superstar.  Seattle wants a team, BAD, and when this one starts losing too much money for Jordan to care, it's gone.

 

You can't compare the NFL to NBA.  Tanking in the NFL guarantees first pick.  The NBA does not.  Early news this morning indicated 7 or more teams are tanking this year.  Considering we've had less competition usually for a good pick and still got screwed, do you like our odds against 7 other teams?  I sure don't.  Not to mention there won't be a big man as good as Al next year in FA class that would want to come here and I don't believe there will be on worthy of a lottery pick (at this moment) either.  We will still a center.

 

Then you get to the players we do have that we have invested in.  It's unfair for them to tank another year.  Kemba's third year, MKG's 2nd, etc.  We need these guys to improve and gel.  I don't think tanking would be good for us in the long run in keeping these guys and building a great atmosphere.  I just don't think we put together this potentially great coaching staff just to tell them to tank.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:53 PM

Couldn't agree more. Stay the course

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:50 PM

you don't know the freaking plan, man. Only Cho anf Hidgens know da plan, man.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:54 PM

Hmm to make our team better with proven NBA players or to choke to try and get guys that haven't played above high school. Which as we know, no matter how bad we suck, we will get screwed by the lottery and fall just outside of where the stars will get drafted and we will come right back to where we are. I guess we could tank every single season until we land the #1 pick in the draft but we will be tanking for a long time. I think it's time to use other avenues to build the team.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:57 PM

I'm all for tanking if it could guarantee a top 3 pick. But I know how this poo works and Charlotte getting a big name player in the draft isn't likely to happen. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the draft order was something like this

 

1. Boston - Gotta keep one of your classic teams strong

2. Cleveland - For some reason they always hit the jackpot in the lottery

3. Philidelphia/Detroit - Big market team with no big player

 

 

 



#28 mj4life

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

you have to use both FA & the draft to build a solid team IMO. Indiana is a good example of this by drafting well & signing key free agents when necessary, the key is to not  sign contracts that keep you from making moves.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:50 PM

The only reason the team has cap space to spend on free agents right now is because the plan is working.  We finally committed to rebuilding around young players and avoiding veterans on long expensive contracts, and now the team has cap space this summer and next summer and a team that will actually improve in the future. 

 

Signing a good free agent is great, but giving out big contracts to pretty good players is what screwed the bobcats for years (made them too good for high draft picks and not good enough to win in the playoffs).  Its not like the cap space just disappears, we can save it for next year or use it in a trade.  And no one is saying the team should just tank indefinitely- honestly I dont think they will have that option because the young guys will continue to improve.  But having one more top 5 pick to build around would be really nice to build around, and I dont buy the idea that the bobcats will be out-tanked next year (if they dont sign another big man)



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:17 PM

I feel like we have suffered as a Buzzcats fan for the last several seasons, waiting for an opportunity that we could have next season. 

 

Imagine, if the Supersonics blew their load and and got impatient and never got their chance at Kevin Durant? 

 

We have been on a path since the blowing up of the playoff team.  I loved the plan.  I feel like it makes perfect sense for a team in our situation.

 

Signing Al Jefferson and J.R. Smith type players would be great starting in the 2014-2015 season.  

But not now, not since we have all waited for the opportunity to have a franchise player.  

 

Signing these guys now makes us competitive for the next 2-3 seasons.  

Getting Wiggins, Parker, Randel, makes us possible contenders for the next 10 seasons. 

 

Imagine if the Panthers had signed some middle of the road Quarterback before or during the 2-14 season, and we lost our shot at Cam Newton?  

 

Stay. The. Course. 

 

Amen, It is MJ trying to fast track the rebuild and Cho is the one trying to tell him to wait and sign a FA with our Top 5 pick next season in the deepest draft since '03. Hopefully Cho wins out and we stay the course! MJ is an idiot and I will never trust any of his basketball decisions. Stand pat or make a few minor signings and let the young guys eat up the minutes it is the only way to get experience.
 




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