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#61 AceBoogie

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:54 PM

To me it wasn't so much the field goal, I probably would have kicked it to. What pissed me off was running it up the gut on third and 5 against a stacked box. They had a timeout, so they were going to stop the clock anyways. Throw the ball and try and pick up a first. They were playing for a field goal the whole time (aka trying not to lose)


That was my issue as well. Them playing for the field goal and not the first down. Remember last year against Philly they finally let Cam go out and get that first down? We win the game. You need one first down to guarantee victory and you chicken out.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:55 PM

If idiots on this board will say Harbaugh would have made that call and now makes excuses when he literally does not, then this fanbase is dumber than I thought.

 

Down 12-0 in the 3rd and if it was 4th and 1 and not 3..hell yeah I can see harbaugh making that call..



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:59 PM

Look, as I tried to explain earlier. With a 3 pt lead or a 6 pt lead there's only ONE WAY that you can lose the game. By giving up a TD. Adding that three points did nothing to change that. The only way to ensure that you can't lose is by either scoring a TD there or at least getting a 1st down so you can kneel out the rest of the clock.

Instead we went for a FG like a fuging moron and the rest is history.


This is the best answer. The logic here is flawless and cannot be argued. If this thought ever entered the coaching staffs mind I would be shocked.

3 pts or 6 the only thing that changes is that the offense is forced to go score a TD and test the biggest weakness of our D, the secondary. If anything taking the field goal in that situation. Was the absolute worst thing to do. If its a 3 point game maybe buffalo goes conservative and plays for the tie? We'll never know.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:59 PM

Down 12-0 in the 3rd and if it was 4th and 1 and not 3..hell yeah I can see harbaugh making that call..


No, he wouldn't. Have you watched him coach? He's just as conservative in short situations as anyone else, he just has a good enough defense to get away with it.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 11:03 PM

No, he wouldn't. Have you watched him coach? He's just as conservative in short situations as anyone else, he just has a good enough defense to get away with it.

 

Good enuf defense?? not tonight it wasn't



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 11:04 PM

Good enuf defense?? not tonight it wasn't


Exactly, and yet he still kicked the FG.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 11:59 PM

I honestly don't have a huge problem with taking the FG at 4th and 1. I have a huge problem with not taking shots on 2nd and 2, and running Tolbert on 3rd and 5. To be honest, I would have 0 confidence in Ron being able to win in OT and I'd rather try to force them to get the TD to win.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:10 AM

Yeah he did. In the Super Bowl. And called 3 straight passes.


No...different scenarios.

Up. 1 yard on 4th down....get the yard and the opponent can't stop clock or letting them attempt a comeback drive.

Rivera has had it now a couple times.

That is the scenario....he hasn't faced it

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:46 AM

The third down play to Tolbert, should have been the second down call. That way, we could have had a better option on third and the balls to go for it on fourth, if necessary. When we essentially pooted on second down, I knew we were playing for the FG. The rest is his-tory, further entrenching us in the "jokes" franchise category.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:28 AM

That wasnt about pts though.

Was about ending a game.....or giving them a shot to win against the league's worst secondary.

1 yard ends the game.

 

It was about points. Because points are how you win and lose ballgames. Putting yourself up by an advantage higher than 3 effectively ends the game too with as little time as they had. 9/10 times it ends the game. Especially when your defense has forced turnovers the previous two possessions and have appeared to rattle a rookie quarterback who would have to lead his team down the field, with ZERO timeouts, in less than two minutes starting from his own 20 yard line. You take those odds every day of the week. It's not even a controversial call, it's a common sense one.

 

The more glaring mistake in my estimation was not calling 3 plays to gain 10 yards when a first down ends the game and you're on the good side of the 50 yard line and already in field goal position. If you stop the clock, you stop the clock. The playcalling had to be more aggressive.

 

What we saw on the final two drives was a lack of faith in Cam to move the ball. Putting DeAngelo in the wildcat for two consecutive plays was a direct affront to Cam. Then on the final drive, to not allow your best player to make a play but instead run handoffs to players who haven't had a ton of success on the day is just.... insulting. At best they were trying to protect him from the potential to take an avoidable turnover. At worst they were coddling him. The lack of designed runs for Cam is alarming. He has been neutered and he's not having nearly as much fun. You can see it on his face.

 

If you want to bemoan a play call, it's the entire last drive with the exception of the call to kick a field goal. Manuel had a poor second half and was coming off a few turnovers. Let him go the length of the field with no timeouts and you deserve to lose the game.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 04:00 AM

it's simple you have cam newton and it's 4th and 1.............go for it, i hate to bring a madden reference in this but just like in madden i don't see many teams stopping cam from getting 1 yard, Rivera needs to look back at cam's rookie season dude didn't ever get stopped on his goaline scores quit putting the game on the d and let cam finish it out in the correct situation




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