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#25 LinvilleGorge

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:23 PM

Elite? You're going too far there. The guy can't stay healthy.

 

He would be making more money than Steve Smith here if we signed him. $50 million range. He isn't worth that. At all.

 

Name me a Giants WR that left NY and did anything elsewhere. I'll wait for it.

 

No, he's elite.  I agree that his health is a major concern and I wouldn't even think about giving him a $50M contract.  If he could stay healthy, I'd consider it, but I don't think he'll ever be truly healthy and you have to sign him to a contract with that in mind. 

 

The reason those WRs that have left haven't done anything is because they no longer have Eli throwing them the ball and they don't have Nicks drawing coverage.  That's kind of like asking for a Carolina WR other than Smitty to have gone elsewhere and done anything.  Teams don't really make it a habit of letting elite WRs just walk out the door.  The Giants might because of all their needs and the fact that Nicks is constantly nicked up.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:24 PM

I'd like Nicks for the right price but if we can get a hungry rookie WR in here i'd take that, Ej has Woods, Dalton Has Green, Luck has Hilton......although cam has smith besides that it's paper thin plus smitty isn't getting younger(although i wish) get cam a Wr in the draft who reflects Anquan Boldins hunger his rookie year



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:29 PM

I remember back when i said even TY Hilton was better than Lafell, and they said i was wrong......welp.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:30 PM

I'd like Nicks for the right price but if we can get a hungry rookie WR in here i'd take that, Ej has Woods, Dalton Has Green, Luck has Hilton......although cam has smith besides that it's paper thin plus smitty isn't getting younger(although i wish) get cam a Wr in the draft who reflects Anquan Boldins hunger his rookie year

 

Even teams with failed young QBs have attempted to put pieces around the guy to give him a chance.  Minnesota drafted TE Kyle Rudolph in the 2cd round the year they picked Ponder.  Then they drafted Matt Kalil at LT #2 overall the year after, then this year they drafted WR Cordarrelle Patterson in the 1st round.  Jacksonville drafted WR Justin Blackmon #5 overall the year after they drafted Blaine Gabbert and then this year they took LT Luke Joekel #2 overall.

 

Since drafting Cam Newton, the Panthers have added a couple of small school project OGs, a couple of undrafted FA OTs (wait, I'm sorry, one of those guys is actually a DT who we're trying to teach to play OT), and a few bargain basement WRs.  Really starts to put things in perspective, huh?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:33 PM

No, he's elite.  I agree that his health is a major concern and I wouldn't even think about giving him a $50M contract.  If he could stay healthy, I'd consider it, but I don't think he'll ever be truly healthy and you have to sign him to a contract with that in mind. 

 

The reason those WRs that have left haven't done anything is because they no longer have Eli throwing them the ball and they don't have Nicks drawing coverage.  That's kind of like asking for a Carolina WR other than Smitty to have gone elsewhere and done anything.  Teams don't really make it a habit of letting elite WRs just walk out the door.  The Giants might because of all their needs and the fact that Nicks is constantly nicked up.

 

 

Based on the free agent market this year for supposedly "top" receivers, he isn't going to accept much less than $50 million, and he won't have to. Someone will pay it, and I really hope it isn't us. These other receivers who got fat contracts this year have done exactly squat.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:34 PM

Based on the free agent market this year for supposedly "top" receivers, he isn't going to accept much less than $50 million, and he won't have to. Someone will pay it, and I really hope it isn't us. These other receivers who got fat contracts this year have done exactly squat.

 

If $50M is the number, then I hope it's someone else too.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:37 PM

I remember back when i said even TY Hilton was better than Lafell, and they said i was wrong......welp.

 

Why is the huddle in the constant state of, " Hey look what I sad way back when, look how right I am now. " It's like a disease. It gets old.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:37 PM

I'd really like to retain Ginn.  His speed is surreal.  He's so smooth in his movements on the field.  He can literally run open.  I will really enjoy watching him the rest of the season.  I wouldn't be surprised if he posted career highs.

 

That being said, I'm not for dumping a TON of money on him.  Sure, be somewhat aggressive because I think he likes playing with Cam, but don't jeopardize the future (I think we're going to feel that a lot after the Hurney-lotto frenzy).  I'm glad Ginn's getting a chance to be a real WR, but don't give him too much money.  I don't think Ginn is a #1, especially after four games.  Let's talk in February...



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:38 PM

If $50M is the number, then I hope it's someone else too.

 

If we can actually build this offense through the draft and surround our quarterback with talent without doling out those kinds of contracts, that would be a good start. We were already in cap hell from overpaying guys. Let's not go down that road again, it's not pretty.

 

For your previous post about drafting offense. We've added exactly one offensive starter since drafting Cam. Amini Silatolu. It's sad.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:38 PM

Even teams with failed young QBs have attempted to put pieces around the guy to give him a chance.  Minnesota drafted TE Kyle Rudolph in the 2cd round the year they picked Ponder.  Then they drafted Matt Kalil at LT #2 overall the year after, then this year they drafted WR Cordarrelle Patterson in the 1st round.  Jacksonville drafted WR Justin Blackmon #5 overall the year after they drafted Blaine Gabbert and then this year they took LT Luke Joekel #2 overall.

 

Since drafting Cam Newton, the Panthers have added a couple of small school project OGs, a couple of undrafted FA OTs, and a few bargain basement WRs.

 

this is the prime example of what i try to explain to some of the irrational on this board, the vikings know ponder isn't the answer at qb, you know why? because he sucks with a good o line, a HOF rb, and a Good receiving core.........Huddle logic Cam is the reason Cam sucks , even with our garbage o Line and our questionable receiving core besides smith and ginn, Cam is still putting up good numbers, good enough to get most teams in the Playoffs or at least a Winning record.

 

 

bottom line is if you wanna know if Cam is the answer or not Get this man some weapons and a oline that is decent then you'll have your answers he's done wonders with what we've got imagine if he had better.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:40 PM

Ginn needs to be more involved. He by himself isn't that great but he can be great in this offense. The problem isn't Steve or LaFell. Sure they dropped the ball in crucial times however we weren't moving the ball at all on several series. Seeing Ginn getting taken out and put on the sidelines is disheartening. He is what can make everyone else open.

 

I'm also pissed that we put so much faith in a guy like Armanti and we don't target him at all. If he sucks he sucks. But at least put your money where your mouth is and give him a chance to suck ass.

 

Also what about Brandon Williams, the potential stud? What do we have to lose in playing this guy? I'm sure he has a few routes down by now and throw him some passes.

 

 

How about the fact that Rivera makes Alexander inactive when he knows that Hardy can't go 100% due to illness?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:43 PM

If we can actually build this offense through the draft and surround our quarterback with talent without doling out those kinds of contracts, that would be a good start. We were already in cap hell from overpaying guys. Let's not go down that road again, it's not pretty.

 

For your previous post about drafting offense. We've added exactly one offensive starter since drafting Cam. Amini Silatolu. It's sad.

 

Besides a cb and maybe a OLB(depending on how blackburn plays) I'm all for drafting offense pure offense,enough is enough the d is where it needs to be besides cb play, would not be mad if the draft started off OT,WR,OG or WR,OT,WR