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#3019378 Season 5: The Walking Dead

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 13 October 2014 - 04:33 PM

Tbh I was tearing up at the reunions of carol and Daryl and Rick/Carl with Judith. Idk maybe I'm a bitch but that got to me on a personal level


#3019213 Trent Dilfer audio for those who wanted to here it.

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 13 October 2014 - 03:15 PM

Why so sensitive?

What is it that Dilfer said that was so wrong? He never knocks Cam or his ability at all and if you hear that it is because that is what you wanted to hear. He discusses the use of Cam and questions if it is sustainable. He mentions that he played for Shula and talks about his coaching tendencies. He even says that if you have a QB that is 6' 5", 240 lbs, and can run like Cam then maybe running him in those situations is what you should do. He said it is different, and he is right.

Look at this stat line and tell me it's not "different" :

Newton 17 Rushes, 107 yds, 1 TD

Whittaker 9 Rushes, 25 yds, 0 TD's

Reaves 8 rushed, 15 yds, 0 TDS.

Cowherd asked him point blank "were we wrong about cam newton being able to carry a football team" dilfer said no they were wrong and dilfer doesn't believe he can. Thus the outrage.

Fozzy had a td btw


#3010457 AJ Green leaves practice on cart

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 11 October 2014 - 04:19 PM

I don't differentiate those things.

As mentioned elsewhere, this is just one we have to disagree on.


That's all well and good you don't agree with a bunch of us on this but don't try to take moral superiority on this issue like the rest of us happy he's not going to be playing are bad people. You do that a lot and it's annoying as fug. You are no better than anyone else.


#3009245 Bengals Fans Predictions

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 10 October 2014 - 05:53 PM

the bengals are a top 3 team in this league… we are not even top 10. they have every right to predict large win margins.


I refuse to believe there is a 25 point difference between our teams.


#3009181 Bengals Fans Predictions

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 10 October 2014 - 05:01 PM

45-20 is a fuging joke. That ginger qb is a joke. This game will be a 3 point game. Not a blowout like that. Dalton is always good for atleast one INT a game. If we force him to make mistakes we win.


#3006085 Does Hardy come back after 6 games?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 04:16 PM

sponsors can and will pull their support if their bottom line is effected by what one player does or if they feel they don't want to be associated with an organization that is giving that much money to someone who has been found guilty of domestic assault...which is pretty much what the public perception of hardy is and nobody whose money is on the line wants to risk making sponsors unhappy and if we start losing spnsors, the financial value of sponsorships decreases. you can't know that they would be able to continue financially without missing a beat. you can't make everyone happy, but you're damned as an organization if you start losing sponsors/financial support because that stuff can spread like cancer. one drops and others may start to follow suit and while you may have others willing to be sponsors, they may not be willing to pay as much as the ones before them did. in fact i can pretty much guarantee you that point because sponsorships typically go to the highest bidder. one drops out and then you have to settle for the one with the second or third best bid, but now they have a bargaining ship they didn't previously have, which is the absence of someone willing to outbid them. even for sponsorships that aren't bidded on, the value diminshes with less interest or dropped support.

we can and probably would keep going around in circles and i'm too tired to keep it going, but my point would remain this: agree with it or not....like it or not...there is likely a lot more factoring into their decision what to do with hardy than "does hardy help win games".

and to your point about hardy helping win games, he absolutely does, but this past week we found that our defense can adjust to life without him by beating/dominating a pretty stinking good offense. if we can continue to do that, then that in itself brings into question whether or not he's worth the $10mil a year we would likely be signing him to and before you start debating that same argument in regards to say cam or kuechly, i would say that hardy is absolutely not as crucial to this team as either one of those two guys are. but then you add in the drama that is apparently surrounding hardy and it makes the decision to give him that much money that much harder.

i understand where you are coming from, but i also understand that there is more to factor into it than just "does hardy help us win?".



Tldr


Hardy isnt going to make sponsors drop. There isn't a video of him hitting her. There aren't pictures of the damage he might have done for the world to see. It's his word versus hers. And if you are outside the Carolina market you hardly know who hardy is let alone care anymore at this point.


With the amount you've written in this thread about it I can see what you are pulling even if you don't admit to it which is fine but don't say the decision won't come down to football at the very because it will.


Ravens were ready to stand behind rice the whole way until that second video dropped. He is no where as good to them as hardy is to us.


#3005824 Does Hardy come back after 6 games?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 02:05 PM

off field issues can upset sponsors and that can mean less money. they have to factor that i to the equation. they also have to factor in the effect certain players have on the atmosphere in the lockerroom (which can effect wins and losses) and also their financial investment in players and what they do off field can have a negative effect on that investment. anytime off field activities effects a players ability to perform on the field (which effects the wins and losses), it effects their investment. they don't have to put a protective bubble over their players, but it is reasonable that they draw a line as to what is acceptable. if they feel like his off field life will effect his ability to perform, then they have to question whether or not the investment in them is worth it.

right now, you can make a solid argument that our investment in him this year was not worthwhile because things going on in his life interfered. even if he didn't assault that girl and it was just an accusation made by some crazy drugged out woman, you have to question his judgement in those he chooses to be with and the effect it can have on him. that's not to say he can't be friends or relations with whoever he wants, but it has to be realized that he wouldn't be in this situation were it not for his relationship with her and his activites outside the stadium. if he doesn't change his circle of people, or at least some of them, you have to wonder if there might be other incidents he gets stuck in the middle of might effect his ability to perform.


The panthers are worth a billion dollars. The nfl is worth billions of dollars. Sponsors won't pull regardless. To much money for them at stake and they know if they drop there will be a line forming from our companies to take their place not one second after it happens. Which brings it back to football and wins. Hardy helps us win.


#3005778 Does Hardy come back after 6 games?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 01:40 PM

it's the degree of the headache that is speculative. they, as an organization have to have some standards for themselves beyond performance. as a fan (short for fanatic) you/we may not agree, but that's probably because we are not looking at it from any other perspective than the wins and losses at the end of the season. from an organizational standpoint they have to look at a much bigger picture than we tend to do and act/base decisions on more information than we have.

basically our bottom line is not theirs nor is our rationale for decision making thiers.


Their bottom line is wins. Listen to any coach gm or owner and that's what they will tell you.

Football decisions. Wins on the field. That's what matters to them. More wins means more money.


#3005758 AJ Green leaves practice on cart

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 01:32 PM

"If you think the win is the same without him in the line up then you wished this injury on him and you are no better than a saints fan. You are scum"

Smh


#3005661 AJ Green leaves practice on cart

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 01:02 PM

I don't honestly care what their fans think.

You want to say you're the best team? Earn it by beating the best. If you can't, then you're not.


BS.

Would rather have a W without facing green than a L with him in the line up. All that matters is making it to February. Beating teams in the regular season means nothing if you don't win it all. Means to an end.


#3005617 Does Hardy come back after 6 games?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 12:50 PM

i think you have a point and the current situation, whether or not he was actually guilty or not, was probably the straw that broke that camel's back.

this by far isn't the first time that his off field life has threatened his playing time. he has chosen a very risky lifestyle and surrounds himself with people like this girl who is at the center of the story who is allegedly(?) someone who who uses a good bit of drugs. re:hardy, though, remember that pic he posted showing the speedometer of his motorcycle? or that table at he club covered with shot glasses or whatever it was? and there's probably a lot more than that which we haven't seen that PR guys have probably either covered up or otherwise kept from the public.

now he has a right to whatever lifestyle he wants, but remember that this is a business in which the players get massive amounts of money and hardy is due for probably $10+mil a year. keep in mind that many companies in many industries will either suspend or terminate the employment of people who get into trouble even if they are on their own time. the reason is they don't want stuff coming back on them and they don't want to put their own money into someone whose life can negatively affect their performance. you may not like that, but it's their money and their company and they have a right to protect themselves from employees who's outside life can have a negative impact on the organization.

i don't for a moment believe that the panthers expect their players to be perfect angels. i knwo they know a good number of their players like to party and take part in some rather risky outside moments and situations, but you have to also know that they have a limit to what they will put up with and it very well could be that hardy reached his.

one thing to also consider, media scrutiny effects sponsors which the panthers, just like any professional sports organization, depends on for their survival. they also have investors that they depend on and and have to keep happy. if sponsors that help keep this team afloat financially start pulling the plug because of a public backlash, those whose money is wrapped up in the team/organization will understandably want to protect their pocketbook.

there are a couple players that i feel like the panthers depend on for their success...and by a couple i mean two, that being cam and keek. aside from those two (and anderson may challenge this idea), we need those two if we have any hope of playing in the post season. aside from those two, all players on the team are replaceable, imo. it may take a little time for them to adjust and find someone to step up, but for the most part the team should be able to adjust to the absence ofany one or two players on the team.

the team can and will go on without hardy, whether just a couple more weeks or the rest of the season or forever and ever, amen.

going back to hardy's situation, i don't think we know the whole story. that's probably pretty obvious. i also think that the team may he privy to a whole lot more information than we are and that may be something that factors into the decision whether or not hardy plays again. they may know some things that tells them they don't want to continue their relationship with hardy, but won't share that with the public for hardy's sake (or just to protect themselves from future lawsuits...take your pick).

they may feel that prior to this incident, one year giving him $13mil or whatever is fine, but investing much more than that over a much longer period of time wasn't in their best interest as an organization. you can debate whether or not they should factor off field stuff into the equation, but it's not your millions of dollars on the line.

now i have no dog in this fight. i'm not a company man who tows the company line no matter what they do. i disagree plenty with what the orgainzation does. i didn't like franchising hardy to begin with, but that had nothing to do with his off field stuff and everything to do with not wanting to have 20% of the cap spent on two players at one position.

i don't know if hardy is innocent or guilty and i don't really care one way or the other. if he's a panther i'll be cheering for him and if he's not, he's just another guy.

the point of the above was just to provide some perspective on things from the organizational side of things. you don't have to agree with them, but i think their position on things should be understood and maybe even respected.


All his lifestyle business is speculation. Guarantee you they will only be asking one question when looking to play him or sign him long term. Is he good enough to help win games were we can put up with the headache? The answer is yes.


I think he plays and I also think he stays a panther after this year. CJ is too old and too expensive. Hardy is in his prime and his deal can be worked to better fit us.

He'll probably be found innocent due to lack of evidence and that will be the last of that.

Bring him back when 6 are up.


#3004291 this what pisses me off about shula

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 07 October 2014 - 12:21 PM

I'm talkin bout Cam bruh


Cam is only one part of it though. This is a team game and we all know cam can't do it alone.


#3004223 this what pisses me off about shula

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 07 October 2014 - 11:40 AM

Not really. Keeping a ferrari at 100 isn't as hard on the engine as stop and go city driving.


Your theory, destroyed.


This offense ain't no Ferrari I'll tell you that much. With this oline it's more like a old tricked out Honda civic. It can go fast if you want but your always afraid it will break and leave you on the side of the road


#3003009 Would you genetically engineer your child?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 06 October 2014 - 03:14 PM

Yeah I would. So I can put him and sports and get filthy rich off that little bastard.


#3001804 Did Luke have 75 tackles today?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 05 October 2014 - 09:46 PM

Lol this guy is a joke.




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