I believe Gettlemen is looking at King and McNutt as WR's from this years draft class.
In his eyes we did draft a WR I'm the 5th or 6th because we have WR's on our roster who were drafted in those rounds that haven't played yet.
People complain about King and McNutt being unproven, but they're more proven than whoever we could have taken in later rounds in this draft.
In my eyes King and McNutt are rookies. And Dave didn't draft 1, but 3 receivers this year.
If you heard his pre draft presser, they asked him how important was it to draft a WR Iin such a deep WR class. Gettlemen responded it would be real nice to get a young receiver. A, as in 1. He was never pressed to get multiple receivers because he knew that the answer is often already on your roster.
My bad--- I just want to say I'm waiting on the facts also but....
Girl I'm talking to is friends with Hardy girl an rumor is this isn't the first time this has happened. They he's beat on her before except he never calls the police. This time other people were their when it happened which is why the police were involved.
When the police got their the girl said nothing happened but because of the other witnesses it seems they decided to arrest him anyway.
I have in no way ever met Hardy or his girl. I want to make that clear. That's all I know and it's all rumors so..
Helping the defense is helping Cam. The best thing for a QB is a dominant defense. We've seen this over and over. From Eli's superbowls, to Big Ben's superbowls, to Rusell Wilson Super Bowl and the consistent winning of Crapernick. Defense is a quarter back best friend, not a Megatron, ask Detriot.
Come playoff time you can always always always stop a dominant receiver, you can always stop two dominat receivers but theirs nothing you can do about a dominat defense because that's 11 players.
I honestly believe that we are helping Cam out more than the Colts are helping out Luck. Now I obviously don't mean offensively, but giving Luck all these weapons won't help the Colts stop anyone and you can't make it far in the playoffs playin bad defense.
Cam is fine. Yes, Luck has more weapons on O then Cam, and yes his stats may be better because of it, but I don't care about stats, I care about wins and that's all Cam cares about as well.
This has to be the biggest smoke screen.
I loved KB at the beginning of the process but Gettlemen kept preaching route tree and how some guys can only run to 3 spots on the field... I figured we wouldn't touch him...
I've been listening to some pre-draft press conferences of other teams and most of them agree that you don't pass over a player you like at a certain spot just because their is depth at that position in a later round.
For example say we have Robinson graded above Moses. Most GM's seem to think that you take Robinson even though the depth at WR is better because you never talk yourself out of a player you like at the spot you're at, for a player that may or may not be available later.
Then again the GM's could be blowing smoke. It is a Pre-draft press conference after all.
They don't if you say that Tiquan averages more yards per catch than Calvin Johnson-FACT, does that make him better? Nope. You would have to be a dumb ass to actually believe that you can compare a wrs ypc, and a rbs avg ypc. Lots of different factors that determine how many catches a wr get. So you can't take a wr ypc and project it to yardage.
You want Running back ypc?
Donald brown 5.3 ypc
LeGarette Blount 5.0 ypc
Andre Elllington 5.5 ypc
Are all better than....
Frank gore 4.1 ypc
Matt Forte 4.6 ypc
Adrian Peterson 4.5
There is no guarantee that a 1st De beats out the guys who are already in the system. So he could be at 0 snaps as well.
You are 100% correct, but what if the WR we draft can't beat out Underwood or McNutt, you never know that's why it's always smart to go BPA.
All that being said I get the feeling with amount of WR available one will be BPA at 28. The fact of the matter is 1st round prospects grades aren't that far apart. I think those pining for a wideout, including myself, will be happy come draft night
No one on this board is suggesting that we take the DE if he has the same value as a position of need such as WR or OT. We are only suggesting that we take the DE if he has a noticeably higher value than the WR and OT, in other words BPA.
I understand the reaction "so are you saying that you would take a QB, RB, or MLB if they were BPA? Not necessarily and here's why: a backup QB sees 0 snaps a game unless the starter is injured.
The backup MLB sees 0 snaps, may play special teams. And as far as RB's go, nowadays, no one should be taking them in the first round anyway.
When you reach for need you can setup yourself for drafting a bust. I have no way of knowing this for sure but those years in which we took a receiver in the second round (Colbert, Jarrett) I think we were reaching for need in both instances and both times it didn't work out.
I'm not saying if u reach for a need position you're going to draft a bust, that's silly, I'm just saying that it's a higher chance of drafting a bust.
This is what happens: the GM knows his team has a huge hole at WR. As he watches film on the WR's he starts to overemphasize the players strengths and ignore their flaws. Why? Because he had such a need at that position.
To a hungry man any bitter thing is sweet.
You don't draft hungry, you draft full.
If the WR/OT is equal in ability to the DE, then you take the WR/OT because it's a position of need.
If the WR/OT is a 9 on a scale from 1-10 and the DE is a ten, I'd personally take the DE because he's the better player, but I certainly understand those who would lean WR/OT.
If the WR/OT is an 8 while the DE is a ten then you take the DE every time IMO
So with the OP's example, it depends on if Gettlemen believes Kony is equal to, marginally better than, or clearly better than the WR's in this draft. If he's better at all, I'm talking Kony. This philosophy gets murky in later rounds because the players values get closer together.
This is hyperbole, but to those so adamant about taking a WR/OT is the first because of need, would you have a problem with Gettlemen taking Clowney? If you wouldn't then it's not the philosophy you have a problem with it's more that you don't believe that Kony is any better than the WR's potentially available.
Also you can never have to many pash rushers. No I wouldn't draft a QB BPA. Backup QBs don't see the field. Backup MLBs rarely see the field, as well as backup safeties and offensive linemen. But for Dline, cornerback, or Wide Receivers, you can never have too many quality players at those positions and if they're BPA, I wouldn't hesitate
It's really guys:
If Cooks ability = a tall receivers ability, you take the tall receiver
If Cooks ability, on a scale of 1-10 is a 9 and a tall receivers an 8.5. I would take Cooks, some would take the tall receiver
If Cooks ability is 9 and the tall receiver's is notably lower you DO NOT take the tall receiver just because he's tall.
I like Matthews and OBJ over Cooks but that's because I think they are equally talented.
We don't need a tall receiver. We need the best receiver available, if he happens to be tall, great. If it happens to be Cooks, take him