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#2086514 NFL Coaching / GM News

Posted by rayzor on 09 January 2013 - 04:56 PM

Those guys will still be there after we fire Rivera after 8 games next season ;). Gruden may not get to choose his GM so maybe he would be off the table (although I doubt it), but Chip Kelly looks like he will still be an option.

Although, I would be lying if I said it wasn't a little frustrating that we didn't take advantage of our job being so desirous right now.

rivera better do better than be average at best.

#2086502 NFL Coaching / GM News

Posted by rayzor on 09 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

NFL Network's La Canfora just reported that he spoke with representatives of John Gruden and his would-be coaching staff, and he was holding out for the Carolina Panthers job. Said he already developed a Chip Kelly type playbook for the Panthers offense. Wanted to choose his own GM.

Yet we keep Rivera.....what a joke.

Not who I want but it was still interesting

This > The Drive@thedrivenc
LaCanfora on John Gruden: "People told me that the one coaching job that would have really gotten him excited was Carolina."

wow wow wow.

with a kelly style playbook to boot.

i wonder if kelly had his eyes on here as well.

i wonder how attractive this team would be to other potential HCs if we decided that losing wasn't good enough for rivera to keep his job.

rivera better get us in the playoffs and find a way to deliver more than one winning season in a row. if he can't, the FO is holding this team back.

#2086290 Chud to interview with the Browns?

Posted by rayzor on 09 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

Here's why...starting with game 1 this year, Chud rolled out an offense very much different from what we ran the year prior. Far fewer 2 TE sets, a greater reliance on the read option, and almost no commitment to the running game. The result was a disaster. Now all of that is fine if you make the necessary changes in week 3 or 4, but that isn't what happened. Chud stuck to the same game plan until Hurney got fired and presumably was given orders by Rivera/JR to make the necessary changes. Suddenly, our offense began to click because we had a greater commitment to the run, we gave Newton more protection and used more 2 TE sets again, and ran more under center plays.

We feel that Chud's stubborn resistance to change something that clearly wasn't working is what cost us the playoffs. Had we started the year with much the same game plan as last year or made the necessary adjustments in a timely manner, most of us feel the results would have been far different. So we blame Chud, and by extension, Rivera (for not reeling Chud in sooner).


point blank, he tried to fix what didn't need fix and ended up making it something that needed fixed and took way too long to fix it. this was on him and rivera. if the players can't execute what you want to do, do something else that they can execute. it's not that difficult if you're more interested in winning than proving you can come up with innovative schemes.

and the offense was a huge part in us not getting to the playoffs this year. they just flat didn't get enough points on the board. they were pathetic in that regard for most of the season. the defense struggled, esp. late, but the offense didn't give the cushion the defense should have had. there's no reason that this offense shouldn't be able to put up 25+ points per game and we weren't.

#2085279 The Biggest thing that irks me about our fan base

Posted by rayzor on 08 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

we've spent lots of money, just not wisely.

proofs in the record.

#2084996 Rumor: Ross met with panthers twice

Posted by rayzor on 08 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

Yeah, I had heard that as well. But realistically that's what happened. For the record, I'm not defending that place. I've literally never gone there on purpose and it's full of morons.

well, they kicked panther train out of there and we picked him up so...yeah.

#2084567 panthers RB coach fired. chud and mcD are safe. (whew?)

Posted by rayzor on 08 January 2013 - 03:20 PM


Gotta say I didn't see that coming.

Wonder if anyone else is in danger.

updated the OP and title.

apparently chud and mcD are safe, but more changes are coming supposedly.

#2084368 Will Chud let Cam play QB next season?

Posted by rayzor on 08 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

The read option is just a specific type of running play. If you have any of our games saved, go back and look at some of the running plays. You can spot the read option as follows:

1) The QB is lined up in the shotgun. That is, he is 5 yards or more behind the center at the time of the snap.
2) In a conventional shotgun running play, the QB hands the ball off to the back without evaluating the position of defensive players at that moment in time.
3) In the read option, the QB and RB both have their hands on the ball for a second while the QB looks to see how the defense is reacting. Depending on what he sees, he will either keep the ball or let the RB have it.

As mrwright said above, there are variations on the basic play, including more traditional option plays involving pitching the ball to the back off to one side, or even triple options in which 1 of 3 players are options to carry the ball.

In general, read option plays are a bit slower developing compared to conventional runs, and that can cause problems with a defense that reacts quickly.

excellent description of what is going on.

the added time on running plays didn't help a struggling OL. there was also the problem with the passing plays taking way too long to develop since we were intent on trying to make big plays happen more than anyone else. i think this was yet another thing chud was most proud of and tried to make even more impressive by doing it more.

both things made us relatively easy to defend because since everything took so long to happen, defenses could overload the box and we just couldn't do much with it. it took way too much pressure on cam and put way too much on him to try and keep plays alive.

#2084104 2013 Uniform Change?

Posted by rayzor on 08 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

cant say I like the new dolphins logo at all

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the gay dolphin lost it's helmet.

#2083574 If You Think Chud Sucks Now...

Posted by rayzor on 07 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

I remember Fox's playcalling got ridiculously good in the playoffs. That Giants game in 05 was crazy

i absolutely loved his masterpiece against the cards in the playoffs. true work of art. guy was GENIUS!!!!!!!!!

i mean anticipate them playing exactly like they played early in the season, no need to make any adjustments then or really at all in the game until you feel like it. legenfrikkindary.

#2083282 Can't Believe I'm Asking This, But I Just Want To See...

Posted by rayzor on 07 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

Fox took the Panthers to a Super Bowl and has now lead Denver to the playoffs in his first two seasons, one of which was QB'd by The Golden Calf of Bristol. You idiots need to get over it. Fox is a good coach. Period.

you make it sound like he was incredibly successful here and didn't have just 3 winning seasons out of 9 and he didn't peak after his 2nd year.

you make it sound like he didn't get into the playoffs last year with an 8-8 record playing in the weakest division in the NFL and he didn't get a bye in the playoffs this year with a HoF quarterback chucking the ball around.

he fell into a great situation in denver. easy conference, easy division, and in year two peyton manning. yeah, the man's a stud HC.

#2083076 Beason coming back?

Posted by rayzor on 07 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

I agree.... He has to restrictor his contract to stay on the team, if not he's defiantly trade bait

restrictor = restructure?

auto word correction, i suppose. that thing is of the devil.

#2082917 Am I a hater?

Posted by rayzor on 07 January 2013 - 03:28 PM

You may need to hire a consultant therapist to figure this out


#2082247 Is Cam just a bad read option QB?

Posted by rayzor on 07 January 2013 - 08:45 AM

the read option is nothing more than another running play, except instead of just handing the ball off to just one guy regardless of how the defense is set up or what they're doing, the QB reads the D and sees if he or the RB would have more success. thats it.

people make it out to be a bigger deal than what it is. it's not the read option thats the problem.

the reason it hasn't been working isn't because its a "college" play.

ask yourself why any running play doesn't work. predominantly there are two answers.
1) they know you're going to run it and/or
2) you don't have the ability to run it well

for some reason the panther run game has always taken nearly half the season to get going solid. it always takes several weeks for the OL to gel. the first half of this season when we ran the read option the most was during a period in the season that we don't run the ball well anyway. to make if worse, if you don't have an oline prepared or able to adjust quickly to block for who has the ball, you're in trouble. this OL just wasn't ready or able to block for it....just like every year. being a newer mindset/dimension to the blocking scheme didn't help at all.

then there's the predictability. chud didn't run it well. he tried marrying the coryell passing game with the read option run game. when you want to pass, get in one of the usual coryell formations. when you want to run, you get in one of the usual read option formations. see a problem? the defense knew what we were going to do by how we lined up. and we never adjusted. the spirit of jeff davidson possessed chud's body.

to correct it...for starters get the OL gelling and ready earlier. they take it way to easy in the offseason. they don't get nearly enough reps together as a unit because usually they're always dicking around with personnel shifts.

and then, frikkin mix up what you do. run the ball out of non- read option formations and rjn other plays out of read option formations....play action, bubble screens, etc. will all work out of it. and add i more pistol formations. quit drawing an obvious line between your running game and your passing game. try disguising what you do because you're sure not good enough to just impose your will on others even if they know what you're gonna do.

be prepared and be confusing. don't fear the read option. fear being unprepared and predictable.

#2082013 For all complaining about Rivera's record in close games...

Posted by rayzor on 07 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

All the "fire Rivera" fans now are trying to back Rivera up and convince us? Youre a joke

says the guy who had a john fox avy for half the season.

#2080666 Questions about Marc Ross

Posted by rayzor on 06 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

It might just be me, but wouldnt the best canidate for gm come from a winning team?

and why would you even think about promoting from within an organization that has only had 3 winning seasons in the last 12 years and no winning seasons in the last 4 years?

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