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I never said that it was "the greatest player evaluations tool," but it is a tool. You have to know how to use the tools, so...obviously PFF guys should know how to do that.

That's separate from their player grades which is what we were talking about. But good lord this is way more important to you than it is to me and I don't really care to keep reading through the links you're desperately digging through to try to find anything to support your dear PFF. At the end of the day, I hope you're right and I hope PFF is the greatest player evaluations tool ever crafted because it sure seems like Tepper is building an analytics team that he could've just gotten with a $120 subscription.

They're explaining it, but they're still using stats, just within the context of their system. Damn, man.

You're full of it. Stats are fundamental to their system.

Which they're just using to explain how they developed their grading system. The stats have nothing to do with the way they grade a play which they explain by showing two gifs of two separate plays with different outcomes but the same PFF grade. Are you even reading this stuff before you link it? The statistics or the outcome of a play has nothing to do with a player's PFF grade for that play. They tell you that over and over in every link you post. It's literally an arbitrary system that they came up with to create a framework for grading player performance.

What are all these? Could they be stats? Coverage Metrics Several standard metrics are commonly used to evaluate players' effectiveness in pass coverage. These include passer rating allowed, yards allowed per coverage snap, completion percentage allowed and PFF's 0-100 coverage grade. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-advanced-coverage-grade?utm_source=chatgpt.com To say that PFF doesn't use stats in its grading is simply incorrect, period.

Statistics is such a broad term, but PFF has to use them to some degree. They just have their own measurements and grading systems which incorporate some statistics in their grades.

You're right, but they also use stats in the NFL per my last post, as you're so obviously trying to deny.

Pass-Blocking Stats PFF collects many stats that help define each block. https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-pass-protection?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Dude, that's a page talking about their soccer grades.

Oh Jesus, my inlaws live about 10 minutes from Legoland and I'm gonna be down there in a week. Yeah, not looking forward to it but honestly it ain't any colder here at the moment so you're not missing out. Honestly, I just don't pay a whole lot of attention to PFF grades. I just enjoy poking fun at the people who view them as gospel. Hell, at the end of the day, I hope they're right. Because all evidence is that David Tepper is one of those guys.

https://www.pff.com/news/pff-fc-all-you-need-to-know-about-how-grades-are-calculated?utm_source=chatgpt.com To establish the expectation for each grade, PFF uses statistical models. These models learn what typically happens in a given scenario for each facet of play by using characteristics of the event as explanatory variables and the given play-by-play grade as the response variable.

No need to review data according to some. What is this "data" of which you speak? Could it be advanced statistics? Surely not!

Umanmielen's confidence obviously isn't going to be squashed by much of anything. He's come to play from day one.

I love his confidence

Which grades were incorrect? Not defending LLMs in case I'm giving the impression. I'm just more interested in reviewing the data to make sure it's correct before debating it. I'd check PFF myself (got a sub) but am fn dying at Legoland in Florida while my 9yr old runs rampant.

They don't use stats for their player grades. Period. They straight up tell you that. https://www.pff.com/grades "Their system" was arbitrarily created by them. A PFF grade reflects PFF's opinion of a player's performance based on an evaluation system they constructed. That's it, that's all. It's a piece of information. It's not an end all be all of anything.

Well it saves on cash if you can rely on a rotation of guys because your front seven is so good. Ron Rivera made Kurt Coleman look like a god, for example.

Terrace Marshall getting some first team WR reps. #Eagles https://x.com/brandongowton/status/1949125188139806763?s=46

PFF explicitly said that they use advanced statistics, but you're saying they don't, and I don't understand English. Like I said, @LinvilleGorgeyou just want to be contentious. Out of everything in the thread and me even talking about Icky despite PFF, that's what you hone in on. LOL

Is it yours?

Is English your native language?

The loser mentality is definitely prevalent unfortunately. It can even trickle down to the fanbase and if you've looked around enough you've seen it. Although I think Hornets fans are wired differently than Panthers fans in that regard. The biggest thing with Princely or any of these other 1st or 2nd year players is backing it up. And there is a thin line between confidence and being a cocky jackass. But for now we definitely need more alpha energy and guys willing to set an example and I welcome it with open arms. Think about how much this fanbase griped about Brian Burns. That's why I've said just let these young guys be themselves and see where it takes us. Don't try to squash their confidence over small things. That's what we've been begging for so let it play out.

I trust that we will. Dan wanta to be practical, but also is a realist. We paid Jaycee despite the injuries; we'll pay Icky despite his pass blocking imperfections, which mainly comes down to what I call "brain farts," a.k.a. inconsistencies. The only way I can't see is paying him is that if his play just falls off a cliff, and I don't think that's realistic. Even then we may him, just at a contract commensurate with his level of production. I'd prefer they get him his money before the season, that way we'll get better value, but who knows?