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We’re talking this year.

I'm not putting any bets on Bryce being able to reach that ceiling. (yes, I meant to do that)

Statistically, by almost every possible metric measured, since he was drafted, he is the worst starter in the NFL over that stretch. It’s no debate. That’s facts. That’s numbers.

Oh, well, he has had 2 really good games vs Atlanta in his 3 year career. I have never denied those

Our RBs sure didn't look better last time. And given that you cite our OL injuries as if they weren't considered, I'm curious what you think the metaphor "MASH unit of an OL" meant exactly

Maybe that's the problem? Maybe if QB's had more time to figure it out more would end up successful in the end? I know a lot of youtuber channels like Brett Kollman have contemplated this and think QBs are thrown in way too early and given up on way too quickly. As far as BY goes, I'm not sold on him or anything, more on the fence. I've seen a lot of good and bad from him. Some QBs do develop late, like Sam Darnold. Do I want to hold onto BY for 5 more years to find out? No. I do think he should be our QB for next year unless a clear and obvious upgrade were to fall into our lap, otherwise I don't see the point of changing QBs going into next year. Keep building the team and insert an upgrade at QB whenever that opportunity presents.

I think the problem is that the ceiling is "consistently mediocre" with "occasionally good" and the one great performance.

My bad, I was referring to the Falcons game

It’s called offense. Yeah, it’s sort of what it’s all about and your bad takes and off the mark comments continue….as Cam Newton is the Carolina Panthers GOAT. Not just QB. Player. Cam Newton gets offense. Much like Josh Allen. And they can literally be one man offensive shows if need be. They are the rising tide that lifts boats. So let’s quit bringing up all these names when talking about the current QB here

Well, if you want to discount "guy on the Internet with an opinion" then I have some bad news for you He's not exactly alone in what he's said though

Possibly, but I'm not honestly even worried about whether he can have a better performance. I want consistency. And as I've said many times, I'll take "consistently good" over "occasionally great" ten times out of ten.

Oh yes, the "guy on the internet who claims to have watched all the Arizona games but also all the Carolina games" metric. Mr. Scot, is this the threshold you have for information now??

I wouldn't say "called out" given that you focused on an accusation but haven't even attempted to answer the substance of my statements about how unreliable stats can be. I can focus it a little closer if you like... Should and interception that happens because a receiver made a poor attempt at a catch and deflected it to a defended reflect negatively on the quarterback who threw a perfectly good pass?

I think we've seen Bryce's ceiling. It's basically his recent play. If the D is playing well and you can lean on the running game and just let him dink and dunk and pray he can hit one or two downfield throws you can win with Bryce. But your margin of error is extremely small and you're gonna need a turnover margin advantage to beat good teams with that formula.

Pretty much my take... Mind you, I'm iffy on Bryce proving to be a consistent starter as well.

Your fascination with passing yards is fascinating. You’re almost as bad as those people who say Cam wasn’t a good quarterback because he had over 4000 passing yards once.

You won't just admit that you tried to cherry pick stats to prove a point and got called out for it? C'mon man... I mean, that's literally exactly what you did. You argument boils down to "I think a thing and no measurable metrics will convince me otherwise" then you tried to use some metrics to demonstrate your point and just proved me right. LOL I get it, "lies, damn lies, and statistics". You can cherry pick numbers to argue just about anything you want... except when all the numbers are screaming the opposite.

Yeah...no to Shedeur does not equal "nobody over Bryce".

Lots of irony here...

Drew Brees is an example. poo, Geno Smith, Alex Smith, Daniel Jones were bad for longer. Edit: Sam Danrnold was worse.

If not for the car crash, would Bryce have seen the field again?

If Murray comes back, we can talk. And dude, a guy who's watched every Arizona game gave you a whole list of things to talk about and you responded with no substance at all. Just basically, "well you're wrong because...stats"

Okay, so when Bryce got benched last season? That counts the exact same amount, right?

Sure but how many genuinely successful NFL starting QB's are this bad for this long before figuring it out? Let's be honest, almost none of them get this many opportunities with their original drafted team.

Being benched and on the verge of let go may not be "statistical" but I assure you it matters.