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According to some random guy on Twitter claiming it's from some bloody at ESPN but offering no proof of that?

yay?

I mean, you said yourself that he was an average NFL WR. How do you define "solid"? You're super excited about T-Mac. I get it. I wasn't opposed to drafting him myself. Hell, I was happy for you when we drafted him. But damn man...

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Well that's part of where the disconnect is then, you think Chark was a "solid NFL player" I couldn't disagree more, he's someone who had one solid NFL season and then was at best a JAG the rest of his career, I wouldn't call that a "solid NFL player" If he was a #3 WR and put up the stats he did outside of that 1 season, then sure, he's a "solid NFL player" but he put up those numbers as the #1 WR in 3 of his 4 seasons that he had meaningful roles and the #2 in a high powered offense the 4th. That's not good and not what I'd call a "solid NFL player"

Everything always makes sense in hindsight. Hell, I've seen guys who were touted by everyone as slam dunk "safest player in the draft" type prospects bust massively. Remember Aaron Curry? Robert Gallery? I'm just never going to say that a prospect is definitely a better NFL player than a solid NFL player. Better as a prospect? Sure, you can always make those arguments. But ultimately it comes down to what you do on Sundays and what you did on Saturdays just isn't relevant when you're talking about who's the better NFL player.

And that's totally fair to say, but I think it also shows you guys are conflating what I'm saying with thinking I'm saying something like, "T-Mac will 100% have a better NFL career than Chark had" which is a completely different statement and one I'd agree, you can't really say about any NFL player before they've ever taken a snap. Because what I'm saying, is that T-Mac's actual ability and skills right now, are at a higher level than Chark's ever were, it's a completely different statement that is independent of what his NFL output will be. Look at it this way, without even knowing what the rest of Chark's career turned out to be, would anyone seriously say they'd take Chark after the 2019 season over today's T-Mac if they somehow were in a draft and we were deciding between the two? As even after that season, his potential was never what T-Mac's is right now. Even with those other prospects, I'm sure some of them before their NFL career started, still had more ability and physical talent than Chark had, because again, this is so much less about T-Mac and so much more about Chark. A bad coach, system, QB, injuries, etc, that derail a WR's career no matter how good they may have been and is much more of the reason they were a bust than their own abilities. Chark was a tall WR with little WR speed, he was a deep ball threat and wasn't even particularly great at it, he was not that good of an actual WR. If the Jags had another above average WR in 2019, then Chark doesn't get his 1k season that I think people are getting too hung up on in thinking he was some great player in this league.

I've just seen enough highly touted prospects who pretty much everyone was high on end up busting to assume anything.

Maybe, but a player can also bust for a lot of reasons. And I'm not about to go look up the stats of all the 1st round WR busts, but I'd be surprised if they had the sustained output and success in college that T-Mac had. Those early WR busts are usually guys who had one breakout season and then were highly drafted because of physical potential, not already built out ability. I'm not even saying T-Mac is 100% going to have a better career than Chark (although I obviously think he will). I'm just saying that right now, his skill level and ability is better than Chark's ever was, and I don't understand how anyone is arguing against that, not because of T-Mac, but because of who Chark himself was. If you want to take the argument that you can't say ANY player who hasn't played a down yet can't be considered better than someone who has, then so be it (even though I'd say that's a dumb stance anyways). At his peak ability, Chark was more like a #3 WR than anything else, he was the definition of a league average WR. If you don't think a Top 10 selected WR with his tape is better than that just because they haven't played in the NFL yet, then you're just stuck on the "he hasn't played a down yet" idea and can't evaluate them as players and abilities.

And you would've probably said the same thing about a lot of highly drafted WRs who busted.

dude.......... You are way to emotional here

This. It’s a poo take. There have been countless WR put up big numbers and never done a GD thing in the NFL. We’ve drafted some of them.

The ONLY thing Chark was better at during his peak than T-Mac is right now, is that he was an actual burner. T-Mac has better hands, more fluid and agile, better catch radius, better route runner. It's not about stats but short of literally having the video at my disposal (and know how) to cut clips together to compare them, it's just the quickest/easiest way to do it because they's so absurdly polar opposites in output. And again, this has absolutely nothing to do with T-Mac, it's 100% about just being realistic with who Chark was as a player. I genuinely don't understand why people seem to think Chark was some all world player at any point in his career, he was never anything more than a league average player who had one decent statistical season as the only decent WR option on the team that year. I'd have said the exact same thing last year about MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, and BTJ vs Chark too.

Just stop, man. All the college stats don't matter. Plenty of guys who put up big numbers in college flop in the NFL and you and I both know that there are 1st round and top 10 busts every year. While we definitely hope T-Mac isn't one and we hope he proves to be a great NFL WR, you can't assume poo about a rookie who hasn't played a down of NFL football yet.

therein lies the problem. Carry on

Again, it's not about performance, it's purely a statement about his ability as a football player. Which right now, is better than Chark ever was, I don't understand how that is a controversial statement. This isn't someone who had a 1,500 yard season with a dozen touchdowns while being a threat the other team was afraid of on every snap. It's literally a guy who had a couple good games and then was just peppered with targets in the others because the team had no other viable WRs and he still barely cracked 1,000 yards, and then was barely even a JAG for the rest of his career outside that one season. Just look at it this way, take names aside, you're saying a guy who's peak was 1,008 yards and 2nd best season was 706 yards, was a better football player at that time than a WR who was just taken in the Top 10 and had multiple teams trying to trade up to get them. That's beyond asinine thinking. I'm genuinely not even sure Chark would make the argument himself if he was being completely honest and objective about it.

Well I'm not about to go pull video clips of both players and cut them up to do a visual comparison to them. I am fully aware that T-Mac hasn't played a snap in the NFL and he still needs to both stay healthy and perform at this level. But if anyone actually thinks that T-Mac isn't already just a better WR than Chark ever was in his entire career, then you're completely fooling yourself for reasons beyond my comprehension. This isn't a guy who at his peak, even for one season, was an all pro caliber player, it's someone who had a total of 3 games over 79 yards that season.

Ive watched the nfl long enough to know nothing is for certain and for you to say this is pretty fuging wild. You have no clue how he is going to perform in the nfl

Using college stats to prove someone is a better pro!?!??! Cmon! We all want Tmac to succeed, but at this point his Pro stats are 0.0.0

Clark played 2 seasons in college and had a grand total of 1,340 yards with 6 TDs. T-Mac had 1,402 and 10 as a Sophomore and 1,319 and 8 as a Junior in one less game since they didn't make a bowl (not to mention his 702 and 8 as a Freshman). In 9 years, Chark had 4,440 yards in his 7 seasons in the NFL and 2 years of college playing time, T-Mac had 3,423 yards in his 3 seasons in college alone. Chark's only 1,000 yard NFL season (which was only 1,008 yards to begin with, and only 3 games over 79 yards that year) came in an offense where the only other non RB's in the offense to have more than 35 targets were Chris Conely (90 targets for 775 yards) and Dede Westbrook (101 targets for 660 yards). His 2nd best season, his competition for targets was Keelan Cole Sr (88 targets for 642 yards), Laviska (79 targets for 600) and Conley again (63 targets for 471). Beyond his 1k season, he had seasons of 706, 525, 502, 174, 154, and 31 yards, despite being the #1 WR on his team for 3 of his 4 seasons that he had over 174 yards. Any 1st round WR should already be considered a better WR than that, let alone one taken in the Top 10 and has the college statistics that T-Mac had. Had we traded back and taken Egbuka or Golden, I'd still be saying the same thing about them vs Chark, this has nothing to do with my personal love of T-Mac.

I'm not sure his idea of us being 28th at the start of the season isn't wrong. It's hard to project who we are based off the fact all the rookies we are depending on to contribute but know nothing about. we don't know what derrick brown looks like week 1.. hunter renfrow t-mac,legette, and our tight ends. we are going to have two new starting safeties no matter what. I think it's hard to know just which way the dial can swing on this roster.

That's certainly what we hope but c'mon... stating it as fact when he's never played a down of NFL football?

What?!?!?! Chark's 1,000 yard season was 4 years before he played for us and he only had 525 yards in 15 games as our #1 WR. Dude has 3,100 yards in 7 seasons, he's the literal definition of a JAG and you think he is better than half our current WR room? T-Mac is literally already better than Chark was at his peak, which again, was years before he ever even put on a Panthers uniform, and there is a real argument to be made that XL and Coker were both better as rookies than Chark was for us in his one season here.

Im glad we're starting low. It's nonsensical to put us at 28 IMHO based on objective things IMHO (I think 21-24) is far more appropriate but whatever. Washington was at the bottom last year FWIW. In 2003, Sports Illustrated said our best chance to win the division was to transfer to the ACC. In 2015, everyone wrote us off as a team that snuck into the playoffs with a losing record in 2014 and lost our best WR in TC (Kelvin Benjamin). All these videos are fodder for conversation, but this prediction has no more validity than saying the Panthers are making the SB bc we're starting the season against the Jaguars again. If Bryce plays like he did down the stretch we will end up the season just fine. This roster is much better than it has been the last 2 seasons. No one knows who any season will ultimately end up, but this team is finally being built in the right way, and the idea that this roster can't compete this year is as insane as being it was when we were gaslit in 2023 that we were a rookie QB from winning the division with that roster.

Im glad we're starting low. It's nonsensical to put us at 28 IMHO based on objective things IMHO (I think 21-24) is far more appropriate but whatever. Washington was at the bottom last year FWIW. In 2003, Sports Illustrated said our best chance to win the division was to transfer to the ACC. In 2015, everyone wrote us off as a team that snuck into the playoffs with a losing record in 2014 and lost our best WR in TC (Kelvin Benjamin). All these videos are fodder for conversation, but this prediction has no more validity than saying the Panthers are making the SB bc we're starting the season against the Jaguars again. If Bryce plays like he did down the stretch we will end up the season just fine. This roster is much better than it has been the last 2 seasons. No one knows who any season will ultimately end up, but this team is finally being built in the right way, and the idea that this roster can't compete this year is as insane as being it was when we were gaslit in 2023 that we were a rookie QB from winning the division with that roster.