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so you’re making a “hope for the best” pick and it isn’t a QB?

Haven’t watched him, are we talking about legitimate inside 3T or who can rush the passer or just more Derrick brown “occupy space” garbage either way I’d probably just take the edge defender, more valuable

Just a musing I had: alternative title: why the panthers need to address OL in free agency The traditional adage is that you use free agency to free yourself up for the draft, and, in the panthers case, it holds true. Say the top 5 picks come and go and the Panthers (foolishly) don’t fancy any of the QBs, or did something really stupid like traded for Jimmy G. additionally, the top 2 OTs have been selected in the top 5. However, one of the draft’s top pass rushers is available. Despite the fixation on OT, you’re now facing down the prospect of adding one of the blue chip pass rushers, at a position of need, at a position of greater value, over a red chip talent at a position of lesser value in a unit where you’ve invested in, and that requires less bodies. Objectively, the choice is obvious (unless you’re completely consumed with drafting an OT simply for the sake of doing so, which many here are.) it opens up a further discussion though: do you pair the new guy with Burns and have the leagues best pass rush tandem? or if you like the options you have behind Burns, consider moving him for two 1’s? (Using the Jamal adams trade as a reference point) Getting a top talent as well as a chance at QB later in the 1st is really appealing, but a top pass rush is regarded as one of the precious few truly necessary components for a Championship. all in all it none of it really matters without a top QB and I’m not watching Sam darnold again, period, but I like the draft and the logistics of it, so there’s a thought I had.

He isn’t going to do anything with protection because he’s a bad football player

The panthers would quite literally be better off with linderbaum going to the falcons or saints or buccaneers so as to avoid those team drafting a player who the coaching staff actually had to account for when they play. The ideal scenario for the panthers is linderbaum going to an nfc south rival.

LTs, though they have diminished in value themselves, are still expensive to acquire outside the draft if you want quality play. Centers and guards are not. Im not forgoing that reality to take a guy who will have such an ultimately nominal contribution to my team. Even RBs could be argued to be far more worth the selection given that at the very least a player like McCaffery can win a game. It’s still not a good idea to take a RB in the 1st round. But if you’re going to try and reduce the more complex process that is the draft to “I just want a good player,” then I’m at least burning the pick for someone who can make a major contribution. Centers don’t even meet that second rung of decision making. Taking one there is that bad an idea.

This is probably the problem. The game isn’t what it was then. Nobody’s trying to build a unit of FIVE HOGS who can WEAR THEM DOWN. centers don’t posses that value especially, and again, not forgoing a more valuable position elsewhere doesn’t equate to “it’s a one man show!” as some try to misrepresent the argument. It’s about opportunity cost. You aren’t getting an elite QB, or pass rusher, or pass defender, for pennies in free agency. You can get strong iOL play for a deflated cost.

not drafting a center at 6 overall doesn’t mean you have a bad offensive line, I’m not sure where this false equivalency is coming from colts fans are stupid and their team is stupid players like josh Allen, mike mcglinchey, minkah Fitzpatrick, and vita vea all went shortly after nelson. Quinton Nelson will never add a single win to the colts w/l total. yes, you absolutely take a CB or DT over a center with the 6th pick on the draft. Better to have an abundance of riches at a high impact position than to acquire a low impact position you could’ve solidified for pennies on the dollar in free agency.

this is stupid Ryan kalil never won a single game for this team People get so caught up “am I just getting a good player?” that better ran teams gleefully squeal as stupid teams take “sure things” ahead of them. well ran teams assess cost relative to need relative to value. you can buy quality interior line play for a percentage of what you pay virtually every other position on the field, the top 5 highest paid iOL don’t come close to the rest of the team. dumb little teams ran by people with dumb little brains will continue to flounder around in the squalor of their failure with quinton Nelson DOMINATING AS THE BEST GUARD IN THE LEAGUE while teams who deploy their resources relative to value will continue to win championships

What a loser

what are you even criticizing hes just talking about a reality of the nfl

lol you said “he’s” not “he” and you said it more than once just a simple mistake huh

why would he do this

the old guard media types have been pushing this so hard, lacanfora would be devastated if Watson ended up here theres a reason you’ve seen these guys desperately pushing teams like Pitt to get involved

Why do people say stuff like this

because they don’t care about having a good center because they don’t subscribe to the moronic and dated tropes you do Defense doesn’t win championships pounding the rock doesn’t take you to the playoffs you don’t build through the draft

Now picks are more valuable than Not Now picks

John McClain said that Houston was prepared to trade Watson to miami for three 1’s, a 3, and a 5 until the lawsuits also mentioned that not having a 2nd is probably what will end up costing the panthers a player theyre going to lose Brian Burns because they traded a 2nd for Sam darnold lol

It’s just signing bridgewater all over again; the draft has little to do with “this year.”

Sure, I pioneered the “bridgewater cost us a 3rd” bandwagon, I was groveling before the ink on his contract was dry. but Moore isn’t going to command a 1st. Even if he did, it’s still a pick you’re going to have to use on a WR. he just isn’t a viable to candidate to move, especially if you’ve got a rookie QB you need to surround with talent, which seems to be the way it’s trending.

The goal of a football team isn’t to acquire draft picks.

Virtually every single super bowl team in recent memory was loaded with outside acquisitions, it’s just the way the game is now

It’s okay, I get it. A lot of fans just like being along for the ride, and that’s okay. Big picture conceptual discussions or draft philosophy that is more complex than “just coming away with a good player” is a lot like witchcraft to these individuals. No shame in it man.

You could’ve just said, “yeah, you’re right “ I wouldn’t have thought less of you for it.

Your premise is flawed, it’s centered around the idea that a team makes a QB, and not that a QB makes a team. We’ve seen more than enough evidence to prove that. A franchise QB is going to bring out a lot of positives, and diminish and a lot of flaws. Saying you don’t see a “franchise QB” in this class is not only subjective, it’s irrelevant. Drafting a QB in the top 10 is about as good of odds you’re going to get on finding a franchise guy, and if he flops extraordinary, then you’re in a position to take another guy. Either is preferable to the idea of “building around the QB” or “leaning on the run game” that so many here have so many nostalgic memories of and long to see replicated, because you’re just going to end up picking 10 or 15 or 19 or 21 year in and year out and likely out of reach for what it takes to build a team that can contend for a super bowl-a Quarterback. also, “make much positive impact on the 2022 season” who cares? What does this mean? The point of the draft isn’t about “making a positive impact on the current season.” it’s about evaluating opportunity cost relative to impact over the course of the next 10 seasons.