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This x1000. Cam really had it really, really fuging rough last season. Lost his entire receiving corps in the offseason and is replaced by a bunch of JAGs and a raw rookie for his #1... having absolutely 0 chemistry with this entire new receiving corps, he then proceeds to miss all offseason with them and most of training camp and preseason due to ankle surgery and fractured ribs. If that wasn't bad enough, half his o-line also decided to up and retire in the offseason, which further killed any sort of chemistry there might have been on the offensive side. Byron Bell and Nate Chandler as your starting tackles should say more than enough. Then somehow, he miraculously actually managed to look pretty good behind all that when he was focusing solely on staying in the pocket... until the offensive line fell into absolute chaos and we lost all of our RBs and Tolbert. Cam started to get beaten to a pulp and at times seemed to feel pressure even when it wasn't there, which completely ruined his mechanics. I think a lot of people forget that Cam was actually in very many early MVP conversations, and deemed by many to be, at worst, the 2nd best QB in the league 4-5 games into the season. PFF had him rated as the best QB in football by a good margin through the first 1/4 of the season IIRC. Just when that offensive clusterfug happened, it all happened at fuging once... combined with dog poo special teams, a Ron Rivera Regression, and that mid-season defense of Harper/Decoud/Cason/Godfrey/hurt TD/CJ... this team was an absolute poo show there for a while. It's actually quite something that Cam didn't finish with a horrible season this past year IMO. It was his worst as a pro, but it was still average-to-slightly-above-average. Other than that period where he started feeling phantom pressure (which is my only real knock on him last season, and I can't blame him too much...), I don't think there's any QB that would've done much better here last season if faced with all the crap Cam went through.

Growl, I seriously can't tell the difference between you and Fat Alice right now. That's how dumb and closed minded you appear in this thread. Just stop.

No one out produced him on a game-to-production basis, what don't you get about this? His stats, extrapolated over a full 16 game season, would have been one of the greatest WR seasons EVER. Not just rookie WR seasons, every WR season in the history of the NFL. As a rookie. As a rookie that missed training camp, preseason, an over 1/4 of the season. On top of all that he had what many believe (not me personally... I'm not claiming to have seen every catch and/or remember them) to be the greatest catch of all time. Good rookies always get a hype boost. Rookies like OBJ? Well they rarely come around. Add all that up and it's not hard to see why he won the cover. The dude was the best receiver in football last year in the games he played. Stop being dense.

2008, 2006 (both years he missed a handful of games), and as good as Cam was in 2011, Steve was right there with him. He had some pretty fuging abysmal QB play for a lot of his career, and constantly faced double teams - and many times, triple teams, yet still put up his numbers. Do you even realize how much he opened up the offense? Not that we ever took advantage of it, because we could never find another WR to put out there with him... him drawing in the defense also made mediocre-above average RBs look good countless times. I don't know why you're even bother arguing this... it's fuging stupid. You're literally just going out your way to be difficult. Steve Smith was our best overall player for a decade.

You know, the more you post on here the more I realize your opinion isn't worth two cents, even if you're rather knowledgeable at times. Because you're wrong (in a hilariously matter of factly kind of way) more often than not. Also, I said he was the best player in this team's history.

Probably got your head all clogged up from all them tough internet boys you've been meeting down in South Charlotte.

The guy that carried this team on his back for a decade and made this team watchable - and very entertaining. The face of the franchise for an entire era. The best player in this team's history. One of the best wide receivers of all time. #89 Steve fuging Smith. That's who. Don't know why Panther fans still have to do this childish poo. We can show the man some respect, plus it's the offseason and it's his birthday accompanied along with a funny story.

And what does Steve Smith do for his 36th birthday? Dusts off an old tweet from a hater that he had saved... rest of the story here: http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/baltimore-ravens-steve-smith-sr-washed-up-hater-051215 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbaTSji2dAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4XeL8cLjrA HAPPY BIRTHDAY SMITTY

Steve Smith is also 36 years old. Okay,so are you classifying him as a RB or a FB? As a RB he's a damn good blocker for the position, and can also get his hands dirty in pounding the rock. As a FB he's about average if you go solely off his blocking abilities, but blows about every other FB out the water with his running ability. Tolbert is a unique player, and if not for him I'd wager we wouldn't have been anywhere near successful as we were in 2013. Just think back to all the crucial 3rd and 4th down conversions he made when we made him a staple of the offense. He also had some pretty highlight blocks that year.

Hell he probably IS the best fullback in the league when healthy. He doesn't have a history of injury problems either... poo just happens sometimes. Dude was as instrumental as anybody to our success in 2013. Plenty more plays than the ones above and he laid out some pretty big clutch blocks in crucial moments. That game winning TD pass to Hixon against the Saints for one. Tolbert chipped the LBer (or safety, can't remember) who had a free run right at Cam just enough to throw him off balance and let Cam get the pass off.

Since when is Tolbert's spot in jeopardy? Lol he's one of the best fullbacks in the league when healthy.

It's A LOT better than it used to be, trust me. South Carolina used to be like 75% Steelers on that map not even a year and a half ago. Sizeable chunks of NC also used to be be Steelers/Dallas/Redskins. Now they're both almost completely Panther blue. Good to see South Carolina is finally starting to get with the fugin' program. I've even noticed in person when I go to SC this past year there seems to suddenly be a lot more Panthers representation than usual.

That was after the 2013 season IIRC. There were actually Panther bandwagons popping up in a lot of places on that map after 2013. Didn't take long for 'em to hop off that bandwagon after 2014 though it seems. Hell, half the country acts like Cam is some garbage QB after ONE bad season (and it wasn't even "bad" it was literally average... his first non above average-to-good season) where he was hurt all year with a completely new receiving corps which he had no chemistry with and the worst offensive line in the league for most the season. It's pretty ridiculous how quickly the general NFL fan's opinion changes from season to season.

I made a thread over on the Panthers' subreddit. Worked pretty good for that uniform vote last time I did it. http://www.reddit.com/r/panthers/comments/34z23l/the_panter_fanlael_collins_social_media_campaign/ If you're on reddit upvote it or something so it's more visible

Hopefully he doesn't get snatched up (fug you Belichick) because this pick is literally Tyler Gaffney 2.0 Apparently Gettleman wants him this style of running back

1,008 yards 73 catches 9 touchdowns

We got that pick in fast as fug... like usual. Apparently we knew exactly who we wanted.

Thank you. Also... are you going to open the chat for tonight?

He's more than likely going to extend players like Norman within the next couple of years and then spend the rest of the cap space on mid tier guys with potential while building through the draft. We have a lot of players we need to keep on the books. Cam, Star, Luke, Short, Norman, KB, Trai, Bene, etc. I'm pretty sure those are our main priorities along with the draft. I just don't see us going after any real big names in the near future.

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Dude, that's a load of crap. CJ wasn't "always" double teamed... Hardy was the one facing double teams more often than not. Hardy and Star were the two most double teamed players on the line in 2013. In 2012 you have an argument, but not 2013. Hardy also VERY consistently got pressures and QB hits (near the top of the league in fact) WHILE going up against LTs, who are generally the team's best pass protector. I hate when people bring up that "but he feasted on bad LTs!" argument. That's what the fug elite DE's do. Julius Pepper did it, Jared Allen made a career out of it, and the list goes on. You can't hold completely taking over a game against Hardy. Even when Hardy wasn't getting sacks he was consistently causing disruption in the backfield forcing bad throws or closing up running lanes. You sit here and use the argument that CJ was injured in 2013, but at the same time ignore that fact that during Hardy's back-to-back games where he got 7 sacks... CJ was injured... and Hardy was facing double teams like crazy. That logic is circular as hell. Hardy is also way better at playing the run than CJ, even in 2012. Hardy is damn near just as effective from lining up and rushing the passer from inside as he was outside, which allowed us to dial up all kinds of pressure on 3rd downs. He's also younger. Just to sweeten the pot even more, Hardy also had the speed and athleticism to drop back into coverage and actually be effective in certain blitz packages. CJ is the man, but Hardy as he was in 2013, is a better player than CJ even before he got leg-whipped. Player to player, Hardy is more valuable.

Just want to add that CJ is still awesome and extremely underrated. If it wasn't for Hardy's off field problems, you couldn't go wrong with either... but off field issues are sadly a factor, and CJ is the better player to hitch your wagon too, but as a straight up player, Hardy is better (or was, don't know how he'll be after so much time off).

He's right. Hardy was neck and neck with CJ in 2012, with CJ still having the edge, but Hardy surpassed him in 2013. I honestly don't understand how that was so hard to see.

Ron loves them Bama safeties. Thank God Mark Barron was drafted before we got a chance to in 2012.

But forreal though, just looking at that list kind of pisses me off... Cincinnati gets a 3rd and a 4th when they only lost two people. New England gets a 3rd and a 7th (when they lost the same amount as us), and even replaced them with LaFell, Revis (who for some reason isn't counted), Browner, and even fuging re-signed Blount mid-season despite him counting as a "loss". Meanwhile we lose 3 big contributors to FA, and somehow Cason counts as a fuging "gain" even though he was cut midseason. That's not even counting the fact that half our offensive line retired and the whole bullshit Greg Hardy fiasco that the league will probably never compensate us for. edit: I know the offensive line retirement thing doesn't factor in, was just rolling with it