CPantherKing

Try again. I said he is unproven in 5 years at winning at the same LEVEL as the others. Reich has proven he can win regular season games and get to the playoffs like an average coach. He has not proven he can win a division title or have consistent playoff success. Capers won a division championship and was in the NFC Championship game in his 2nd season. Fox won a division championship and went to the SB in his 2nd season. Rivera won a division championship in his 3rd, 4th, and 5th season while going to the SB. Reich better match that in a 3 to 5 year window with the Panthers or he'll have had a decade of mediocrity as a head coach. I'm sure you already know this and don't want to think of Reich as more of the same, unproven, or worse. He needs to establish success of winning in the playoffs quickly.

Reich 11 win max. 3 win min. 8.0 win avg. .547 win % (9 wins). 0 SB. Rivera 15 win max. 5 win min. 8.2 win avg. .521 win % (9 wins). 1 SB. Fox 13 win max. 2 win min. 8.3 win avg. .520 win % (9 wins). 2 SB; 3 conference championship games. Hanging your hat on .027 win % to call Reich the more successful head coach? That is less than half a win over a 17 game schedule. Both Rivera and Fox were more successful than Reich in their first 4 to 5 years of being a NFL head coach. Reich needs to prove himself, and he is not an elite coach. He is more of the same. Definitely better than Rhule.

He is trying to say... Frank Reich has yet to prove he can coach a team to win at the level Rivera, Fox, and Capers did as NFL head coaches. Reich falls just short of Capers as an 8 to 10 win coach. QB development in Philadelphia that led to their 2017 SB championship was not done by Reich or Pederson. Bryce Young needs to prove he is better than he was in college when he had to pass 30 or more times in a game. The Tennessee, LSU, Texas, Auburn, and Texas A&M defenses beat him up and frustrated him to the point he looked awful. He was 8-4 in games that were worth evaluating. He doesn't have players like Metchie, Williams, Robinson, or Gibbs with the Panthers. He doesn't have the Alabama defense or Nick Saban to mask his mistakes and failed 3 and outs. Bryce Young needs to prove he can slide, take even more hits than he did in college, and keep his helmet from bouncing off the turf. Saban clearly does not prioritize training QBs on how to stay healthy. The Panthers have zero foundation with coaching staff and players. Culture has yet to be set. Everyone is going to be learning a new system and the defense is having to make a dramatic shift with noticeable personnel holes that can easily be attacked by offensive coordinators. Thomas Brown will not be making the play calls and is in his first year as an OC. Evero was a first year DC last season and was outcoached leading to Hackett getting fired and Wilson taking the blame for all the GWD situations the Broncos defense put him in. Wilson put the Broncos in position to win several games and the Broncos defense couldn't stop the other teams GWD. Evero had 3 OT losses because the defense couldn't protect a lead and followed those 4th quarter lost leads up with giving up GWDs in OT. Sam Darnold made Evero's defense look bad. Evero gave up 12 scoring drives on 20 total drives to Derek Carr. Evero gave up 51 points in a single game to Baker Mayfield. Carr and Mayfield have no problem winning with Evero as DC. Evero needs to prove he can stop Carr and Mayfield. If he struggles with Carr and Mayfield, he will likely struggle with Ridder too. How many of you knew Evero struggled like this with Capers by his side as an advisor? The Panthers have a lot to prove and are a step behind their division competitors no matter how elite you believe Reich, Brown, and Evero are with a rookie QB under extreme pressure that is currently not near the level of Russell Wilson (who is no longer among the top QBs in the NFL). This season for the Panthers in the NFC South is not going to be as easy as many of you think. The most probable outcome is Fitterer is questioned with no 1st round pick for next year and the Panthers being swept by Carr, Ridder, and Mayfield giving up more than 30 points on average to them in all 6 games. Young MUST be an immediate success and carry a team with the ability to put up 30+ points in games with his arm if the Panthers stand a chance in 2023. While the Panthers have some good players with weak leadership, Young does not have any playmakers or proven coaches on offense or defense to lean on. I see 2 wins on the schedule with 5 close games that could go either way if Bryce Young struggles as a rookie and cannot carry the team for a full season. Hope I am wrong and he is NFLs Steph Curry out of the gate controlling games and pulling out GWDs at a Tom Brady level to push the Panthers over 10 wins and into the playoffs with Evero being the best defensive coach in the game keeping most QBs under 20 points a game.

Reich will feature only 2 to 3 WRs. He does not have his work horse vet WR, so I expect to see 3 WRs. Targets: Thielen 90; Sanders 70; Chark 70; Mingo 60; Hurst 60; Hubbard 30; Tremble 30; Thomas 30 All other WR/RB/TE will split 60 targets. Decent 1 and done playoff offense if Young does not struggle and the defense comes together quickly. Based on Young's games of 30+ pass attempts, I expect Young to struggle with sacks, batted balls, INTs, QB hits, and NFL level QB spies. The defense will have a few major holes offenses will easily slow play. The opportunity to fill all the holes on defense, running game, and receiving targets was available this offseason, but the front office missed on the players needed to build a championship contending roster in year 1 of the rebuild. 7 wins on the low end and 10 wins on the high end with a wildcard loss is the range. After training camp and preseason, we will have a better understanding of where they are headed this year. I have the Panthers out working 5 NFC teams in the offseason, and 4 of those teams are better equipped for playoff success. Training camp and preseason are next with the Panthers need for hope of some surprise playmakers emerging from the roster.

Astronomical odds for the roster being 25% undrafted players? 1 of 4 players undrafted. Those odds are not astronomical. UDFAs replace failed draft picks more than most believe they do - every year. Thielen would disagree with you.

Panthers finished last when it came to the 2023 war rooms. The Panthers could have taken a lesson from the Texans, Eagles, and Bengals on how to use the draft.

Josh Vann > Jonathan Mingo Bumper Pool > DJ Johnson Nico Bolden > Jammie Robinson UDFAs the Panthers signed are better than the players they drafted. Who is running this comedy of errors?

Looks like Reich, Evero, and Brown are banging their heads on the table as they sit next to a smiling Fitterer.

Fitterer has gone full Gettleman mode, but instead of going with freakishly big players, Fitt goes with the swiss army knife project players. No need to use the draft to build a team. 5 picks a year and trading away 1st round picks during year 1 of a rebuild will lead to a dynasty. No windows for players or coaches here.

Maybe he'll play TE on 3rd down offense, Edge on 3rd down defense, and special teams. Who thought this was a good pick in the 3rd round with several impact players still on the board?

No he is not. He is not a high character player and tends to be a hot head with little to no playmaking impact. JAG with potential that only a select few believe they can develop. He should have been a 5th round development player at best. This FO with FItt is the same. They continue to trade up for developmental players they have no intention of using as impact players and reach with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for players that will not be key players to win a championship. The Panthers continue to give away draft capital to other teams. Wasted championship level draft capital on QB after QB, and now this waste of draft capital. So much for the high character BS from the organization.

A reach in the early second round, but a decent WR. Not a #1. Maybe a #2. Won't be one of the top WRs from this draft, but he will have a long career. One of the few WRs in this draft that lines up with what Reich wants in his WRs.

Killed for years by Brees? He went to 3 championship games in his career. He didn't do anything until his 30s with 1 playoff win. He capitalized when the Panthers were rebuilding. He didn't win against Delhomme or Cam. He went 16-11 as a Saint against the Panthers. He was 1-5 until 2009. He was 3-5 against the Panthers from 2012 to 2016. Bryce Young does the same and the Panthers will have 1 playoff win in the next 9 seasons until Young has mastered the game at his size. Then the winning starts when the rest of the division is having problems. Maybe 1 SB in 2 decades. Is that what you wanted? Bryce Young doesn't get past his rookie contract if he struggles like Brees did in his 20s. I hope that isn't the case and Tepper's reinvention of the QB position in the NFL works. We know his last fringe experiment was a flop.

There have been 79 championship QBs in the NFL since 1981. 10 of them are 3rd round picks and only 29 3rd round QBs have been given an opportunity to lead a franchise (34.5%). 40.7% of 1st round QBs who have received an opportunity to lead a franchise have joined this championship game club since the 80s. So, most 1st round picks don't succeed either, and they have the expectation of succeeding. For comparison, 6th round to undrafted QBs who have been given a chance to lead a franchise have made it to the championship club 18.9% of the time. If you just focus on successful franchise QBs who were able to get a team to commit to them for at least 2 seasons, then 50.6 of 1st round QBs, 58.8% of 3rd round QBs and 30.4% of 6th round to undrafted QBs get to championship status. So, if a team were to commit to Matt Corral for 2 seasons, there is a high probability he will get to the playoffs, a higher probability he would get to a championship game compared to 1st round picks, and an even higher probability he would get to a SB faster than a 1st round pick. Now, if your question is about 1st rounders being given franchise opportunities at a greater rate than 3rd round picks, you would be correct. You can't factor in QBs who are never given a scarce franchise opportunity when measuring success or ability. There will always be more QBs available to draft in a single season than there are franchise QB opportunities, and there will always be the Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Mark Rypien, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Brad Johnson QBs that are never realized as the Justin Fields, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, David Klingler, Rick Mirer, Jeff George, Tim Couch, David Carr, Sam Bradford, and Jameis Winston QBs consume and waste these franchise opportunities at insanely increasing rates over the past 15 seasons.

You need to go over the list of 1st round QBs over the past 10 to 15 seasons and see where they rank in playoff wins. Only 3 to 4 with the return to call them a successful pick. Only 17 1st round QBs in 57 drafts that have returned that value. 3 QBs worth a 1st round pick on average per decade. 30 QBs selected in the 1st round in the past decade. So many 1st round pick QBs in the NFL now, and they still can't dominate the conference championships or win more than 1 playoff game. Always the Brock Purdy, Jalen Hurts, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Jimmy G, Drew Brees, Case Keenum, Russell Wilson, and Colin Kaepernick at QB who are going to beat those 1st round QBs over the next decade to take their spot among NFL QB champions.

This is draft talk. Nothing to do with the success of 1st round QBs. The Texans just took the draft spotlight away from the Panthers and Young was the point. I already put out my view on how overrated the QBs are in this draft. They would have never fallen to the 2nd round, but I would have considered drafting them in the 2nd round. There is no QB in this draft who should have been taken in the 1st round. I didn't think Cam Newton should have been taken in the 1st round and I was right. I expect multiple conference championship appearances and at least 5 to 9 career playoff wins from a 1st round QB. I require 10 years and 1 SB championship from a successful 1st round QB. Otherwise, they were worth no more than a 2nd round pick. If you have lower standards for using a 1st round pick on a QB and wasting draft capital to build a roster, be my guest and enjoy a few playoff wins a QB who lasts no more than 8 seasons and maybe one SB loss.

Yes. It has has happened multiple times.

Texans won with CJ Stroud and Will Anderson. Like getting Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly in the same draft. Carolina is now a draft afterthought. Talk will all be about Texans now.

I enjoy seeing them on the phone talking to the team. Why did the NFL not allow that to be televised?

Not cutting to Bryce Young?

Tepper got what he wanted but he is not talking to Bryce?

They clapped but not talking to Bryce on phone?

On the phone with who? Not Bryce

Bryce is frustrated on TV

Bryce is not on the phone...