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Just want these poor folks to be able to “learn” from the Huddle again.

Nice cherry-picking? Why not include Arians, Reid, or any and every NFL playoff team? Or maybe just look at all the examples like this 1st Time NFL Head Coaches hired Directly from College since 2000: Matt Rhule, Carolina Panthers 5-11 Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals 13-18-1 Bill O’Brien, Houston Texans 52-48 Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles 26-21 Doug Marrone, Buffalo Bills 15-17 Greg Schiano, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11-21 Jim Harbaugh, San Francisco 49ers 44-19-1 Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons 3-10 Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins 15-17 Steve Spurrier, Washington Football Team 12-20 Butch Davis, Cleveland Browns 24-35 Working from that list, we find eight of them returned to the college sideline after a stint in the NFL. Matt Rhule just completed his first season in the NFL, Kingsbury just wrapped his second and Doug Marrone has not yet landed a new job after being let go by the Jaguars two weeks ago, though he got a second NFL head coach job after his stint with the Bills.

It’s a gamble that every bust will revive their career. Just very few ever, certainly none in the last 10 years when contracts for rookies changed. Every bust had issues and excuses. All had a lot of talent and promise. if it doesn’t work out, the Panthers have another near 20M backup. What a rookie would have cost for all 4 years. And still have no QB.

Fine. Just don’t act like the “odds” favor it. People like Hail Mary attempts.

And what the rate of “turning around” a bust? Because in that case they just wasted a 2nd and 4th, plus guaranteed an unproven QB as much as a rookie QB would have cost in 4 years. Not one of those busts lasted more than their 5 year options. If that. And it’s 0% for busts to return. Which option you betting your house on?

IT would explain the pick be included…

Rubi Posted June 19, 2019 I don’t understand the Little draft pick criticism. He was highly successful as a starting LT in the SEC. wtf else do people want around here, Jesus H

Never been to the TB and whatever keeps you happy and delusional, you should do it.

I’m sorry, we reached your football knowledge limit awhile ago. Maybe next time.

It’s pretty straightforward. Busts didn’t get 2nd contracts. Pretty simple. Wentz(who I forgot) is like Tannehill and Goff. All played well enough for the team that drafted them to invest a franchise QB deal in them. And I still didn’t include them in either list. As opposed to whatever jumble of reasoning you just put out there. My parameters are very clear. You have a better measurement. Please share with us all. Not a single data point. A large sample size.

The team that drafted him, chose to go with a rookie QB Instead of keeping him and getting 3 #1 picks. And he not even done being cheap yet. He is a Jets draft bust. 3 years of average, to below average play. And a 2nd round pick. What team would be satisfied with those results. Until he shows otherwise, he is a subpar starting QB.

WTF? Who said anything about any of that. I posted names and numbers. What’s the issue and what does it have to do with what I posted?

I’m sure anyone could. Just not sure why it matters in this thread.

You get taken that high and don’t get a 2nd contract with that team, that’s a bust. And Mariota cost much more in draft capital.

OK. 22 QBs chosen in the top half of the first round from 2011-19. First year of rookie deals that changed everything. 7 are(were) worthy of that status. Cam, Luck, Watson, Mahomes, Allen, Mayfield, Murray. Tannehill and Goff could go either way. 13 were busts. Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Manuel, RG111, Bortles, Winston, Mariota, Darnold, Haskins, Rosen, Trubisky, Jones. So of 20, there is a 35% a team gets a franchise QB. Of all those busts, who “turned” it around? Tannehill was on his 2nd contract, with a major injury, on the team that drafted him.

Sometimes All-SEC OL don’t live up to the hype. There is one on the team right now who “some” said his ability shouldn’t be questioned because he was “great in the SEC”. Wonder who that was?

No doubt. And as soon as Sewell gets used to the NFL, Decker is top 10-15 type value in any trade.

OK. 22 QBs chosen in the top half of the first round from 2011-19. First year of rookie deals that changed everything. 7 are(were) worthy of that status. Cam, Luck, Watson, Mahomes, Allen, Mayfield, Murray. Tannehill and Goff could go either way. 13 were busts. Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Manuel, RG111, Bortles, Winston, Mariota, Darnold, Haskins, Rosen, Trubisky, Jones. So of 20, there is a 35% a team gets a franchise QB. Of all those busts, who “turned” it around? Tannehill was on his 2nd contract, with a major injury, on the team that drafted him.

Why did Rhule say he wanted to win a SB with Cam. Why does Rhule talk up players them cut them? Why would Tepper lay blame at a guy who has 6 more years left of guaranteed money. Why did the Panthers try to interview Andrew Berry but couldn’t because they couldn’t offer roster control. Then, no more interviews, because no legit candidate wanted to. He just said not a couple weeks ago that Rhule is in charge. Even now. Which means he sure was then. So what’s it going to be. Rhule had total control, or Tepper hired a HC for 60-70M to listen to thee reason he had the job to begin with. Either path of incompetence is troubling. But hey, pick and choose whatever makes you feel better.

Not because of. Like I said, it was obvious who had control. And at a time when TB was playing well, why not mention the GM who supposedly “was the main force behind signing Teddy”(according to a rumor no one will put in print). Just tell me all the moves that Rhule made? And Hurney? Should be easy. Because I’ve watched my team, the Steelers, win 6 rings. It only becomes an issue for posters when I disagree with them. Which I can only assume is your next complaint. What’s sad is I know more about your favorite team than you.

Speak for yourself. I called it when they kept Hurney around to begin with? What moves did Marty make? Which ones were just a surprise to Rhule? Why wasn’t he mentioned in that article I posted? It’s a financial decision. Would you risk 20M to win… nothing? Because that’s what’s happening. But now if he fails, it’s Teddy time again. Why risk it? Don’t worry. There is no logical answer.

So Tepper gave a college coach 9M/yr guaranteed, but told him he had to listen to the one person mainly Responsible(twice)for the mess you were brought into fix. Because that’s an even higher level of incompetence than I’m suggesting. So Hurney just slapped a roster full of players and threw them at Rhule with a “play with these guys” and no questions asked. Where is Hurney mentioned in the article below? Written after the ARI game when everyone was taking credit for TB. Not when they needed a scapegoat. If he isn’t any better this year, the Panthers will have another 19M backup QB. Just like this year. When they could have been done after this year if he fails. Even if he goes “Tannehil”, it doesn’t save anything because you would pay him anyhow. Now he has to succeed or it’s 19M out the window. Where is the upside to making this move? Because the downside is obvious. And none of the Disney answers like before. https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/34244/teddy-bridgewater-becoming-to-panthers-what-drew-brees-is-to-saints

Spending 80-100M to turn a 4-12 team into a 5-11 team would be the first question. Think that amount could help the OL issues? Picking up Darnold’s 5th year option for no logical reason would be next.

I’m sure it had nothing to do with him not giving a poo. What was his issue last year when he had no concussions. Just more embarrassing clips for the collection. It showed in college, but no one wanted to hear any of it. Just “PFF and All-SEC”.

Then he gave 34M guaranteed(and a 3rd round comp pick) for a “bridge” QB? For what QB was he “bridging” the team to. That’s even worse than just mis-judging Teddy’s talent. And the Saints didn’t trade Teddy. He was a FA. Don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.