Jacabee

Sam Darnold does not play for the Raiders. He replaced Geno Smith in Seattle. Geno, coincidentally, is now on the Raiders with Pete Carroll at the helm.

Looking forward to T-Mac’s homecoming.

Seen a lot of talk about “cull everyone, Bryce never was it”. Maybe it’s the inevitable outcome. Maybe let’s play a few more games? The mistakes on Sunday weren’t a result of Bryce’s physical limitations. Bryce’s decision making was a problem which depending on where you sit might be a bigger issue. That’s what the stat sites are meting out. A lot went wrong outside of Bryce. A center that can’t snap. A second year receiver that doesn’t know his routes, can’t manage sidelines and isn’t cutting back to the qb on a scramble (a cardinal sin). Plays not getting in on time, resulting in awkwardly timed snaps. That’s coaching. And before I’m labeled a Bryce apologist for not participating in this circle jerk of misery, the 4th down decision to throw it away and the fumble are inexplicable. Those are unacceptable mistakes for any third year player.

We hate ourselves but we hate others just as vigorously. That’s something.

I’ll take it. Been foregoing responses because you already covered what needed to be said for years. Keep pounding man.

Two things can be true. Thielen could have been content playing with us. Yet, when the Vikings opportunity materialized, he had a preference. Doesn’t mean it’s an indictment of the Panthers. Keep in mind: 1) The opportunity arose because the Vikings WR room suddenly became depleted for the early season. In August, Addison was handed a suspension and Nailor went under the knife. 2) Thielen is from Minnesota. He maintains a home there. They signed him as a UDFA when no one else wanted him. His best years were there. He played 9 years there and now has a chance to retire there. I firmly agree that he was worth more to us than to anyone else.The Coker injury only reinforces that. Unfortunately, Minnesota means more to Thielen than anywhere else which really hurt our leverage. At least there’s the cap savings. Losing that negotiation point would have been a disaster.

“But confidence that he’s already arrived seems massively overblown…” I read this forum daily and pretty much every thread. I can’t recall a single poster making this assertion. You guys are wailing woe against a straw man. The reality is many are hopeful that post-week 8 of last year is a launching point and a significant vocal minority remain skeptical. The points on all sides have been beaten to death and most are just eager to see how it plays out. No one’s throwing a parade. They’re just out here in lawn chairs waiting for things to start. Nonetheless, some of you guys seem intent on pissing on everyone anyway.

Genuinely think it’s rookie stuff with him. His age and development coming in as a rookie is a separate convo. He’s been body catching since early this season which isn’t something that was an issue in college as far as I’m aware. In fact his strength appeared to be his extension in attacking the ball downfield in contested situations. He’s been jumping to body catch since the start of the season. Even before the aggregious drops, he was sometimes drifting out of the endzone or to a space that allowed the defender to intervene. If he cuts like he should have, Bryce has another touchdown in the Tampa Bay Game (not to mention the other one the refs stole from Thielen). It’s a habit he has to break. The good part is he is definitely getting open, sometime on some very savvy moves. One of the main reasons to keep watching this season is whether he can put it all together.

There is definitely a hands problem. The question is whether and how much the cause is mechanical or mental. Rather than attacking these balls, he’s waiting on them and body catching. He’s even jumping at times to secure a body catch. These are mechanics that can be fixed. That said, a common reason for being hesitant to get extended is anticipating getting hit. If that’s the driving force, he has to work through it mentally. That hospital ball in the first quarter of the Eagles game wont help.

I’ll take the raisins on this one.

1) Still young at 25. Good contract for the production, especially at only 15 million guaranteed. 2) Investing in a core offensive identity. An elite running back corps is a force multiplier with our upgraded interior line. 3) Acknowledging performance and retaining developed talent sets an important precedent for a young, rebuilding team. 4) This “devaluation” of running backs perspective seems to be waning. Setting aside the Chiefs and their hall of fame coach/QB/TE combo, the tops teams have all invested in RBs, many of which were free agents. Lions with a contract to Montgomery and first round Ghibbs. Ravens sign Henry. Eagles sign Barkley. Vikings sign Jones. Packers sign Jacobs. Commanders sign Ekeler. Texans sign Mixon. Bills have their second rounder Cook who filled in after 3rd rounder Moss was underwhelming (who the Bengals then signed this offseason but is hurt). The niners moved for CMC. Steelers Harris was a first rounder. Falcons have Bijan playing well.

The way to beat this Bengals team is physically: power running and ball control. You're not going to out-air them. There was a game last year where the ravens tried and burrow readily out-dueled jackson. They have too many weapons. I believe Higgins returns this week. They're also down Trent Brown so Mims will see his first start. This game will tell us whether or not our O-line is legit.

I get your point. This is a message board not a board room. I agree he's not been good. But the reason why weighs heavy on whether you should keep him rostered or not. If you truly believe he's irredeemable, cut bait and conserve what you can. However, I don't think most nfl personnel look at Bryce Young as irredeemable. On top of that, Canales was hired at least in part to develop the kid. Let him see what he can do without the pressure while a vet helms the team.

Appreciate these posts Jackie Lee as I've watched every one of these breakdowns since you started doing them about BY. It's typically 17 minutes of solid analysis and then 2-3 where you wonder if Adam Thielen fuged his wife.