XClown1986

If you knew you were getting Drew Brees as a player, why wouldn't you try to go get him? Dude is a Super Bowl winner and had a hall of fame career. And Brees seems to be the most common comp for Young.

It seems like every year we start really hearing about who the Panthers want a couple of weeks or maybe a month beforehand, and it turns out to be the guy we take or the guy we wanted but was picked before us. I remember this happening in regards to Jon Beason, Jonathan Stewart, Cam Newton, Kelvin Benjamin, Shaq Thompson, Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore, Jaycee Horn, CJ Henderson (got overruled, but the interest was real enough to trade for him later), Ickey was the gem for them last year and they were so stunned to see him available. It just doesn't seem like there has been a lot of real "smokescreens." Usually the intel that leaks is pretty reliable. This usually leads to the fan base interpreting the leak as fact or fiction, usually based on whether or not the fan likes the guy that gains steam. If they do: "it's happening!" if they don't: "smokescreen to trick other teams. Totally." I remember being baffled by Jonathan Stewart after drafting Deangelo and dismissed it as absurd, but it was legit. I remember thinking the Cam Newton steam seemed inflated and really remember being pissed it was real (I was wrong guys, I admit it. Cam was a great pick). But history shows, the name that seems to become associated with the team more and more, ends up being the guy. Draft pundits have pretty much nailed our picks in recent years.

Drew Sanders reminds me of Clay Matthews. I think edge rusher is his future. Jack Campbell reminds me of Leighton Van Der Esch

I completely agree with this. Houston may have screwed up by not securing the trade to one. There have been some media outlets (I'd have to go search for them) that aren't convinced that Stroud will be the pick if the Panthers take Young. There is speculation that they could go defense or trade down. It's interesting. I'm not fully convinced it has to do with who Strouds agent is, but clearly the Texans are not on board with the "1a and 1b" consensus.

Yeah since leaving HBO, it has been garbage.

O'Sullivan was referring to when Bryce and CJ returned to the Elite 11 last summer to run drills. Not coming out of high school.

Or... where there is smoke there is fire, and they really do want Bryce Young. I don't think they want to risk moving down anymore. They want their guy.

I'll take Jack Campbell or Daiyan Henley at 39. I'd be on board for that.

This is great to hear. I remember one of the things that sold our coaches on Cam was the passionate halftime speech he gave to his team when they were getting their ass kicked by Alabama, then they came out afterwards, rallied, and won. It is such an important aspect of a QB. Pivotal, in fact.

Gravitating to him is fine. But he has to communicate. With his coaches and with his teammates especially. He can't leave the coaches to talk to his guys and he just "plays the game." So I would want to know more about how effective he is as a communicator and how he has managed those relationships. This is why Bryce Young is being regarded as the top guy, because there is so much evidence to support his strengths as a leader and communicator. You see it all the time and you hear it from everyone he talks to. When it is barely mentioned about Stroud, that scares me. He can't be a QB in a vacuum. He has to be a leader of men. Period. It can seem forced, disingenuous, half-assed, or a requirement. He has to WANT to lead these guys. If his team goes 3 and out, down by 14 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter, I want to know that he is going to pull his receivers to the side and address the issue. Schematics, problem solving, or just an ass chewing, he will have to do what is required and necessary for those moments. Same goes for him talking to his O-line and backs. He better talk to them. Every time he sees/feels something, his guys should know. And as a coach, I want to know I won't have to constantly tell him to do that, that he will do so when necessary. I am not coaching a guy to be a leader. I am coaching a guy to be a better player. You either have it or you don't. It comes down to personality.

Leadership shows itself in various forms. But BEING a leader shouldn't be in question, despite the method.

For me it will come down to personality and mentality. Will he mesh with the coaches, the team, and the community? Does he have the drive to do whatever is necessary to be great? Will he take the coaching and respond to adversity positively? Can he lead the guys in the huddle and get the best out of them? Those are important questions that need real answers, not theoretical ones. The answers should reflect the player based on the track record, interviews, research, and evidence. I trust that the team is diving deep into these guys to find that out. Hopefully they come to a conclusion that bears fruit.

I agree it is between Richardson and Young. But why do you think that Stroud, specifically, wouldn't be Frank's choice?

The team needs a franchise QB. If the guy that they see as a franchise QB is Young, they can't pass on him because he isn't taller. They will have to get him with a nutritionist and an NFL trainer to build more mass, but that can be done.

Yeah I agree with that. If the coaching staff does a full evaluation and comes back with Richardson as the top prospect to draft, then ok. But to draft him because you were only left with him as an option would be more alarming.

Yeah, I see your point. And actually Daboll may be more responsible for Allen's development anyway. Norv at least pushed Cam to play differently, and he responded. That should have happened much earlier in his career.

I thought that was more true for Mike Shula, not Dorsey. But either way, Newton not having respect for his coaches should have triggered the staff to make changes. This would be a contributor to why we didn't sustain success, I'd say.

Trey Lance seems to be lacking the mental aspects. This should have been evaluated more by the 49ers.

That would feel more accurate if the fact that his quarterback coach from 2013-2017 wasn't the same guy that developed Josh Allen and is now his offensive coordinator.

Ending with massive deep bomb followed by a cart-wheel and backflip while running down to high five his receiver. Yep. The kid has the tools and the attitude.

The decision should be narrowed to 2 quarterbacks. But not the two that are being reported. It should be down to Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson. Levis has journeyman bust written all over him and CJ Stroud is not a player you draft to elevate a team and bring the best out of other players on the roster. Bryce Young is the best QB in the draft. He possesses all of the traits you want in a QB minus the size. But you have to believe, based on his football IQ, instincts, and opportunity to work with an A+ coaching staff, that it will not be the issue it has been made out to be. Anthony Richardson should have stayed in school. But... maybe he knew that Florida wasn't going to be the place to improve himself as a QB. He has all-world talent and ability. He reportedly had the best team interviews of any top QB at the combine. He's so raw that a coaching staff can really mold this kid into something special. If this staff believes that Richardson has the goods and that he possesses everything needed to make the improvements necessary, I don't know if you pass on him. Everyone is glowing about the possibility of Richardson going to Seattle. Why? Because they made Russell Wilson a star and Geno Smith a pro-bowler. What about this staff? What IF they could do it? It would set the league aflame. And the Panthers will be a scary team for more than a decade.

Ok, that's pretty impressive. The kid has remarkable talent. No doubt about it.

For the National Championship, yes. But he also won the SEC Championship and a Heisman.

I mean... a National Championship (as a backup, I know) and a Heisman. Nothing significant.