XClown1986

I understand taking the best player, but the problem is that there is no consensus top RB in the draft, and it is even up for debate if one of the RBs is even worth a 2nd round pick at all. Taking the "top" player at a position doesn't always indicate "value." It could be that the position group is lacking. The 7th best receiver may actually be the best player available and well worth pick 33 over the 1st RB. Especially in this draft.

I think it will come down to Legette or Coleman, as has been stated by many people. I think it comes down to who is available. There are some sources that believe Legette could sneak into the 1st round. If he doesn't, I think he is the pick. Coleman is likely next on the board. They are looking for a true X receiver.

The teams that are drafting well and competing every year, know what kind of players they are looking for. Morgan has said he wants "Dawgs." Well, if the rankings are even at different positions, that will likely be the tie breaker. Who is the tough, play-hard bastard that hates to lose? That name will be on the card they turn in. I read somewhere we are modeling our approach after Arizona. But I don't think that is true. I think we are modeling after the Lions. Dan Campbell has implemented a culture and changed that team's identity. Suddenly, they are a team that other teams dread playing. That's who we want to be.

I think everyone needs to go back and realize what Jameson Williams did for Young at Alabama and how desperately he missed him in the Championship Game and in his final year. We need a guy that can blow the top off of the defense at any moment. I have no doubt that if a guy like Thomas were to slip, he would be the pick. I honestly think Franklin and Legette are higher on our board because of their ability to stretch defenses. We have to make defenses respect the perimeter, or else Young will be facing 5-6 man blitzes and 8 man boxes again all year. All this talk about route technicians and stuff is overblown. Why do you think we traded for Dionte and kept Thielen? We have those guys for the interim. Want to see Young make a leap in year 2? Get him big, fast receivers that can spin corners around and force safeties to hang back an extra few yards.

What are your thoughts on Roman Wilson? Widely considered a top 10 WR in this draft.

He reminds me of Lamarcus Joyner coming out. He is a tough evaluation because on the one hand, he was super productive, but on the other, he lacks any standout translatable traits for his position. He's a tough, smart player, and he will likely get playing time for whoever drafts him, but it is hard to justify drafting a role/gadget player earlier than late round 2 or round 3. He's a nickel that can dabble at free safety. But he lacks length for corner, and the bulk for safety.

I keep hearing Ben Sinnott's name. Wouldn't be shocked to see him taken with 39. Apparently teams are a lot higher on him than the media realizes.

He's stayed relatively healthy the past two seasons, won every significant defensive award this past season, and his 40 and 10 yard split were elite for his position. So, yeah, he is worth a 1st and I would certainly be comfortable taking him at 33.

To be fair, none of those guys had injury issues before getting to the NFL

Seriously?

I mean...

Worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

This thread is proving to be a wonderful tool to teach my students about logical fallacies. So thank you all.

See this is the type of thing I'm talking about. Spread the narrative that he's trying to fix Bryce? What if he is actually trying to fix the issues that he has? Would that be so insane?

So by this logic Kyler Murray should have gone in the 6th round, and Russell Wilson even though he went in the third round should have gone undrafted. Got it

Well that's a lovely way to water down what's actually being said here. The fact is that everybody wants to characterize Bryce as a midget who somehow swindled his way into the number one pick. This is far from reality. And also people want to look at the hardships of the offense last year as a whole and pin it completely on Bryce. This isn't atypical, many quarterbacks in the NFL know they're going to have to deal with the brunt of the offenses production because they're the leader. But as soon as anybody brings up the fact that our receivers were absolute garbage in our offensive line could be beat by most of the defensive lines in the SEC, people start calling you a Bryce defender. It's just wild to see everybody tear down a 22-year-old kid after his first year on a horrible team without seeing what he can do in year two with some stability and better talent around him.

So what metric do we use to measure college quarterbacks as NFL prospects then? If what they did as a college starter doesn't matter in terms of what they can do in the NFL then how is a prospect supposed to be analyzed properly? I'm not even talking statistically. I simply mean the body of work they put onto the field. And that absolutely matters in terms of figuring out whether or not this is the quarterback you want to lead an NFL team. This isn't meant to be negative for my end either. This is seriously just my attempt to understand where you're coming from

The year that it clicks? Have you seen Bryce's history as a starter? Last year has been the exception not the rule in his case. No one knows how he's going to pan out for sure going forward, but for all of that elite coaching that he's gotten it's certainly paid off for him.

There's nothing wrong with the wait and see approach. But those aren't types of perspectives I'm seeing from a lot of people. They're just looking for any excuse to bash Bryce and reduce Canales to nothing before he even steps foot on the field as the head coach.

Some of you guys are insufferable.

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How do you know that?

Yes, it makes sense for the Vikings. But why would the Texans make that deal?

Exactly. They didn't even wait for the opportunity to see which players would be available. Seems like a trade that should have happened on draft day.