Mr. Scot

I don't give a sh-t what school a quarterback is from if he's good. I've watched Willis. He's not. (not against decent competition, anyway)

Rhule comes across publicly as a nice guy, but in private, don't know...

Not such a great state of being... (but Panther fans know it well)

You're missing the point. There's one common denominator to all of these problems. That would be the guy who hired the coaches and had final say on the players. The problem is Rhule. Better support in either area would just be postponing the inevitable.

Not hiring a majority of his staff from the college ranks (and specifically the Baylor and Temple ranks) probably also would have helped.

I've had a pretty similar position when we've been in this spot before (which, sadly, seems to happen a lot). I will always cheer for my team to win, but if they do happen to lose their remaining games and dump Rhule as a result, I won't be all that upset.

Really starting to sound like Meyer won't make it to season's end...

Generally speaking, "allowing your football folks to operate with freedom" is a good thing... ... except when your "football folk" is Marty Hurney. (or Matt Rhule)

Howdy, John.

The Eagles did that a while back. About two years later, they found they weren't getting any real value out of it and mercifully put an end to the thing. It's okay though. Ours will be different! Our version will work!

That's part of my issue with Tepper though. He wants to be the smartest guy in the room...but he's not. Every once in a while the league gets someone who wants to do things different than the norm because he thinks it'll be innovative. Such folks frequently find out that there's good reason why things are done a certain way.

Between he and his dad, Hackett's past experience has put him in contact with several former head coaches, the most prominent of which would be Jon Gruden (also his brother Jay). But for obvious reasons, Jon isn't likely to be part of his coaching staff. Jay, maybe. The former head coach I'd most likely expect to be offered a staff position is Doug Marrone. Hackett and Marrone go way back. Plus he's got a pretty solid rep as an OL coach. There's also several DC options with head coaching backgrounds. Those include Jim Schwartz, Gus Bradley, Mike Pettine and even Wade Phillips. Others: Tom Cable, Rod Marinelli, current Raiders interim coach Rich Bisaccia and even our old buddy Rob Chudzinski. Hackett with Jim Schwartz as his DC, Rich Bisaccia running special teams and someone like Marrone or Juan Castillo coaching the O-Line would be a dream scenario.

I can't see this one because it's behind a paywall. Is it an Ellis Williams article? He's pretty good.

Yikes

You think a year and a half is enough to judge Brady as the worst ever, but not Rhule? Okay (guessing you're not familiar with Jeff Davidson)

Better than the worst coach we've ever had? I'd certainly like to think so. To be clear, I'm fine with the search being trusted to Scott Fitterer and Dan Morgan. Or if we go outside to someone like Kevin Colbert.

Tepper's "search committee" was Marty Hurney, PR guy Steven Drummond and himself.

Quoting from Pelissero's article... Good grief! Why would anyone want to work with this guy?

Offensive line is supposed to be a Rhule specialty (he was assistant OL coach with the Giants). But given his devotion to versatility above all (among other things) it seems more evident to me that he doesn't know his ass from third base.

Yep, and had to convince a control obsessed Rodgers to embrace some new concepts in his system. As one article put it, everywhere he goes, offensive improvement follows

That may not be so farfetched. From Tom Pelissero... Tension boiling over between Meyer, players, staff Months of tension surrounding Jaguars coach Urban Meyer has boiled over with multiple run-ins with players and other coaches in recent weeks, sources say, renewing questions in league circles about whether Meyer's stay in Jacksonville could end after just one tumultuous season. At this point, there are no signs that Jaguars owner Shad Khan is seriously considering a change. One of the NFL's most patient and supportive owners, Khan dreamed for years of Meyer -- a three-time college national champion at Florida and Ohio State -- coaching his team and overhauling the culture of a franchise accustomed to losing, before finally luring him out of retirement in January. (A spokesman for Khan declined comment for this story.) But sources say Meyer's repeated public comments shifting blame to players and coaches amid the team's 2-10 season have exacerbated frustration in the building with his hard-charging and sometimes condescending approach -- a style that many observers believed wouldn't work in the NFL even before the Jaguars hired him. ... In the past two weeks alone, sources say: Receiver Marvin Jones -- one of the locker room's most respected and mild-mannered veterans -- became so angry with Meyer's public and private criticism of the receiver group that he left the facility until other staff members convinced him to come back and had a heated argument with Meyer during practice. During a staff meeting, Meyer delivered a biting message that he's a winner and his assistant coaches are losers, according to several people informed of the contents of the meeting, challenging each coach individually to explain when they've ever won and forcing them to defend their résumés. Contrary to his public statements that it was injury-related, Meyer ordered Robinson's benching after an opening-drive fumble in last week's 37-7 road loss to the Rams, then had running backs coach Bernie Parmalee stop Robinson from re-entering the game, insisting Carlos Hyde (who played for Meyer at Ohio State) stay in. Only after Lawrence questioned Meyer on the sideline about Robinson's absence was Robinson allowed to return late in the second quarter. (Speaking to reporters this week, Lawrence said: "Bottom line is James is one of our best players and he's got to be on the field and we addressed it, and I feel like we're in a good spot and the whole team, we're good.") Several Jaguars players vented their frustration to Rams players after that game, sources say, reiterating a common complaint that Meyer -- who had no prior NFL experience -- doesn't treat them like adults. And the staff meeting follows a pattern of tense interactions between Meyer and his assistants dating back to the offseason. After opening the preseason with consecutive losses, for instance, sources say Meyer informed assistants that he was sick of being embarrassed and if the team didn't start winning immediately, some of them wouldn't be around for a second year. ... Holy hell, this sounds like an absolute sh-t show

One thing that should probably be distinguished here: There's a difference between search firms and individual consultants. Guys like Accorsi, Dungy and Ron Wolf are individuals with individual connections. Search firms aren't necessarily tied to particular coaches. Heck, the Texans used a firm in their GM search that actually have them some good recommendations. Unfortunately for them, Cal McNair tossed those aside and hired the guy Jack Easterby wanted.

Haven't heard other names, but I do know recent years' improvements in the organization have been credited to the rise of Jones'son Stephen. Unlike his dad, Stephen actually seems to have a brain cell or two. I know previously, after years of sh-t shows like Chan Gailey and Dave Campo, people convinced Jones to go with a football guru in Bill Parcells. But when Parcells failed to deliver a championship, Jones felt emboldened that "his way" was just as good. Luckily for Cowboy fans like my significant other, there's Stephen.

For the curious, here's TSN's writeup on Rhule... Rhule signed a seven-year deal prior to the start of the 2020 season, seemingly giving him ample time to turn Carolina's fortunes around. However, his relationship (and subsequent firing) of Joe Brady and the Panthers' middling results since the start of the season may make that contract meaningless. Carolina's QB carousel has doomed the Panthers just as much as the coaching has, but Rhule has been generally uninspiring since taking the the job last year, coming from the college ranks. His firing of Brady could either be viewed simply as a philosophical difference in how the offense should have been run or a scapegoat to hide from Rhule's lack of grasp on a 2021 NFL offense. Heralded as a program builder, Rhule hasn't built much of anything yet in Carolina, despite having a very talented defense and some pieces to work with on the offensive side of the ball. While his gaudy contract says he'll probably get at least another year to figure things out, money is no object to Carolina owner David Tepper, who could choose to go for another, bigger higher this upcoming offseason to get these win-now Panthers, well, winning now.

Latest "hot seat" article from The Sporting News (link) breaks it down thusly... Warming Up... Joe Judge, Giants Pete Carroll, Seahawks Urban Meyer, Jaguars Gettin'Hotter... Vic Fangio, Broncos Matt Rhule, Panthers On Fire... Mike Zimmer, Vikings Matt Nagy, Bears