Mr. Scot

Anyone watching Washington vs New England?

Only if you're weak.

Marty made decisions based on how it made him look. If our current guys think that way, I don't want 'em. Football decisions are made for one reason and one reason only, to win games. If you're not making the best decision to help us win games, you don't deserve the job.

If I actually thought they'd make franchise altering football decisions just to not look bad, I'd want them fired right now. It would be like we never got rid of Marty Hurney. That'd be stupid beyond imagining.

You've been arguing that if we'd had the number three pick, we'd have taken Fields. Now you say they think he's "marginally better or worse" than Darnold? How exactly do you equate "marginally better or worse" than Darnold to being worth the number three overall pick? (yet somehow still not with the number eight) Oy...

I think a loss would be one game followed by sixteen additional chances.

Well, this oughtta go over just dandy...

Huddle implosions are hardly ever appropriate. This one would be no exception.

Who are you and what have you done with Igo?

I'd put it this way... If you are unsettled at the quarterback position (and yes, our quarterback position is unsettled until Darnold shows he's up to it) and a player that you consider elite, can't miss, franchise quality, insert your adjective here falls to you, there's no way in hell you pass that guy up. Thus, the very least you can conclude from this is that the Panthers don't think any of those descriptors apply to Justin Fields. They may think he's decent, they may think he's okay, they may think he's not good enough or whatever, but if they believed he was a franchise quarterback, he'd be a Panther right now. Which tells me...they don't.

Sound advice from Daniel Jeremiah... Of course, once you've seen the first series of the first preseason game then you know everything you need to know, right?

And pretty much nothing that anybody who has an actual inside connection to the team has said supports your idea. But yeah, I know. You and your fan theories know better than they do

Week one is never a must win game.

Is Darnold comparable to Watson? Remember the Panthers repeatedly said that having Darnold wouldn't preclude them from taking a quarterback. And frankly, I don't think that was a smokescreen. The smokescreen was the supposed interest in Fields (something that's been confirmed since the draft).

Uhhh, have you forgotten that Stewart was drafted when we already had DeAngelo Williams? And see LG's response above. Using AU's logic, a team that had a player rated as a #1 pick would pass on that same player at a later pick. That's clearly ridiculous.

I fully grasp the concept. I think the concept is stupid. Top 3 picks are elite players. Do you really believe if a team had a chance to get a player that good at a position that still didn't have an established player, they'd have passed? Some people just can't handle the fact that they chose to pass on Fields. As to the McCaffrey comparison, remember a guy named Jonathan Stewart? (or for that matter, two guys named Beason and Kuechly?)

Except it's deeply flawed. If a team genuinely thought a guy was worth a third overall pick, there's no way in hell they'd bypass that guy at number eight. The whole idea is just plain goofy. But the reason this goofy idea keeps getting pushed is so that people can continue to tell themselves that Darnold was only insurance just in case we couldn't get somebody better. He wasn't. The Panthers genuinely valued him enough to make him the center of their plans. I know that idea causes wailing and gnashing of teeth, and yes, some people on here are going to be pining for Justin Fields forever, but suggestions like this lead to a pretty stupid narrative. Again, I don't know if they're going to be proven right. None of us do. Hell, that question may not even be answered by next offseason. But this whole thing of trying to spin it's so that the Panthers were somehow forced to stick with Darnold despite having their hearts set on Fields is one of the most dumbass things I've seen on here in a long time. They didn't want him, people. Get over it.

Fields vs Horn or Darnold or frankly anybody else doesn't even enter into the equation. If you like a player enough that you would take him with the number three pick, then not only are you going to take him at the number eight pick, but you're going to be thrilled out of your mind that he fell to you at that spot. That's why the notion that we would have taken Fields at number three but didn't take him when he fell to number eight is basically ridiculous. That's no different than saying "yeah, we would have taken this guy number one overall but since he fell to the number five spot we weren't interested anymore".

Dorsey not having the same success with Newton that he's had with Allen has a lot more to do with their respective head coaches than it does Dorsey himself. Rivera didn't let Dorsey be a real QB coach. He made him into more of a buddy.

Plus in reality, Mayock isn't in charge of sh-t. Everything in Las Vegas goes through Gruden.

Seriously though, I think some folks might have overrated Gross-Matos a little bit last year. Not that he's bad or anything, but he hasn't necessarily shown himself to be anything special just yet.

Had that discussion previously... The notion that you could like a quarterback well enough that you'd have drafted him with the #3 pick but you pass on that same quarterback with the #8 pick is one of the silliest things I've ever seen. For pretty much any team, a guy that they like well enough to take high dropping to them at a far lower spot is such amazing good fortune that you'd run to the podium to get the pick in.

Not gonna say it's getting weird down there because it was already weird, but what?

Man, where did they find his quarterback coach?

For those that were interested in him...