Mr. Scot

My understanding of it is just that we'll check on all possible options. I'm fine with that. I actually think it's good.

I would have, but for all the numerous tweets on the topic, I couldn't find one that actually had the list.

They might. Sticking with Tua over a chance at Watson though? That's a tough sell. If Tua doesn't turn into something phenomenal, you wind up looking like a Grade A idiot there.

Been a lot of talk about this group lately so I thought I'd check out the list. Be warned, looking at this list might make your eyes bleed (I disclaim all responsibility since you've been warned) ... 2009 #1 - Matt Stafford, Georgia, Lions #5 - Mark Sanchez, USC, Jets #17 - Josh Freeman, Kansas State, Buccaneers (I really thought Freeman was gonna be great) 2010 #1 - Sam Bradford, Oklahoma, Rams #25 - Tim Teebow, Florida, Broncos (had completely forgotten about #25 there) 2011 #1 - Cam Newton, Auburn, Panthers #8 - Jake Locker, Washington, Titans #10 - Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, Jaguars #12 - Christian Ponder, Florida State, Vikings (forgot Ponder too, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of people have) 2012 #1 - Andrew Luck, Stanford, Colts #2 - Robert Griffin III, Baylor, Redskins #8 - Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M, Dolphins #22 - Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State, Browns (spending a first round pick on Brandon Weeden... yikes) 2013 #16 - EJ Manuel, Florida State, Bills (look at it this way, there weren't as many busts that year) 2014 #3 - Blake Bortles, Central Florida, Jaguars #22 - Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M, Browns #32 - Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville, Vikings (that #32 pick...yeah) 2015 #1 - Jameis Winston, Florida State, Buccaneers #2 - Marcus Mariota, Oregon, Titans (Winston is a free agent but the Saints want him back; speculation the Raiders might trade Mariota) 2016 #1 - Jared Goff, California, Rams #2 - Carson Wentz, North Dakota State, Eagles #26 - Paxton Lynch, Memphis, Broncos (is Lynch still in the league? I'm thinking no) ... Oy Sooo...who's up for drafting a quarterback with our top ten pick?

You okay?

That's potentially a loooot of players to lose in a single offseason though. And the cap implications

Those are all fair criticisms. My thing is that since he did finally fire Marty, he deferred to Matt Rhule on what kind of GM to hire and he's promised to let Fitterer and Rhule run the show, I have some hope that things will get better. That said, it hasn't escaped notice that he was previously preaching patience and he's not necessarily looking all that patient right now, so...

I wouldn't say I've turned on him, but I'm still not settled on whether he's a good owner or not. That judgment depends a lot on whether he stays hands off like he said he would.

We definitely don't have the draft capital those other teams do. If they want defensive players, we can offer one of the better options in Brian Burns but not a whole lot of people like that idea much. Logically speaking, even the best quarterback offer is gonna be a step down. Of course, if a team had a quarterback on Watson's level, what would be the incentive of trading for Watson?

Yeah, pretty much

I've thought about both Miami and San Francisco as options specifically because of Caserio. He has connections with both those teams in Brian Flores and Adam Peters. Plus both can offer starter quality quarterbacks (though not elite ones). Of course, none of that matters as long as the Texans stay firm on the "we're not trading him" thing

Probably. Is it really their fault though? Heck, Fitterer wasn't even here when we signed him.

Aaron Wilson said some similar things in his recent article. Interesting that McClain is including Miami now when he previously only talked about the Jets.

The NFC East in general is probably going to be interesting to watch next year. They just had the worst season of any division in history. How do you follow that?

If you say so...

That's one of those things I think you always have to look at when you're evaluating older players at any position. The guy who looks like he found The Fountain of Youth in week one sometimes looks like the victim of a life sucking vampire by week ten or twelve.

Wouldn't mind that, and we'd be doing so with a better talent evaluator running the process.

Most of my responses in this thread have been to people that quoted me. But again, if I said nothing whatsoever on the topic, do you think that changes anything? Again, I get that people don't like hearing that what they want to happen might not happen, but even if I posted nothing but "it's happening" gifs, it doesn't change anything. Heck, look at what Voth and Gantt have said on it.

I'm being a realist. I get that this is something a lot of people want. And I'd be pretty happy with it too. I'd also be happy if we could trade a second rounder for Aaron Donald, but I'm not getting my hopes up about it. Put it another way, do you think if I was all sunshine and rainbows about our chances it would change the reality of the situation?

Again, the Texans aren't going to look at an offer like this and say "Wow, they're giving us a great deal. We should hand them our franchise quarterback and be thankful." When it comes to trade negotiations, the average NFL team is about as reasonable as a no loan shark discussing interest rates.

Hate to tell ya, but the Texans aren't going to evaluate our players like Panther fans would. They're also not likely to be the most reasonable negotiators.

If they decide to let Watson go, they're trading away a franchise quarterback. What makes you think they just accept an average defensive player in return?

Which highlights another aspect of that scenario. Besides draft picks, the Dolphins can also offer a starter quality quarterback in return.

In context though, the current situation is that the Texans aren't trading him. Do the Dolphins still say they want to stick with Tua if that situation changes?