Mr. Scot

I'd sign up for that. Some NFL teams probably would too but others obviously wouldn't or he'd have been drafted higher. I don't really know enough about his durability to say how long a career he could have, though.

I think he got a raw deal there too but don't know enough about his attitude or demeanor to comment. Definitely agree. And yeah, he fits what Canales does. I know the team wouldn't bring him in with the idea of him competing for a starting job, but stuff happens.

He might get moved, but general belief right now says it's less likely. We'll see. Why was he benched? Stories written at the time mention an injury but also cute performance issues. Brissett outperformed him early on but I haven't followed Brissett's performance much since. He is what he is. And no. My disagreeing with you has nothing to do with emotions. I have no emotions in regard to Murray at all. My emotions regarding Bryce are mostly frustration and dread. Yes, I think he's better than Murray right now. Their respective strengths and weaknesses are different, but overall I think Bryce is the better quarterback at this moment. Who who is better two or three years ago or even last year doesn't really mean anything and I haven't bothered with those comparisons. Bottom Line: One guy is gonna be starting for the same team next season. The other is gonna be hoping to start somewhat else regardless of how he gets there. Is that not reasonable?

Nobody will accuse me of being a UNC homer, but I'd love to sign Howell too. I can imagine him having a Jake Delhomme style career path, i.e. spending a few years as an afterthought but proving to be better than expected if given a chance to play. (someone might point out that he came into the league with higher expectations than Jake did, but that doesn't matter at this point)

Hence, why smart teams look at player intelligence, maturity, work ethic, character, etc. It's reasonable to expect a guy who's a little older to be higher in those areas, but again Father Time is undefeated. You've theoretically gotta pick between a guy who may or may not take a little longer to catch on vs a guy who could catch on sooner but also may have a shorter career. One of about a thousand reasons I'm happy I don't have to make those decisions...

I'd point out there's a distinction to be made between hope in Bryce and hope for Bryce. I have plenty of hope for him. It's not exactly faith based though.

Emotional? Dude

Did his career winning percentage keep him from getting benched this year?

Russini is one of the best sources out there, but she's far from alone in that opinion. General belief Is that the Cardinals will try to trade him, but his contract makes it a hard sell barring an agreement to renegotiate. The more likely scenario is he'll be released. Speculation on which teams could see him as a starter doesn't produce many results.

Seriously, dude? And see above on the college thing. I don't "like" Bryce. I don't dislike Murray. I don't think either one is NFL starter quality. Now that said, one of them is going to be a starter next season and the other is likely to be looking for a job.

Not complaining college to pro. I use Chang as an example of the folly of stat driven analysis in football. You guys know I don't put huge stock in stats.

Dianna Russini has been reporting for a while now that he'll likely be let go. She (and others) don't really see many teams all that enthusiastic to give up anything for him via trade. And no, I don't see Murray as any sort of top performer. Honestly think he'll either be a perennial backup or out of the league within a few years.

Statistically speaking Timmy Chang is an NCAA legend. Likewise, if you go by stats then It can be argued that Sam Darnold and Trevor Lawrence are both better quarterbacks than Baker Mayfield right now. Would you accept that as fact? Football is just too complicated and team dependent a game to rely on stats as your top evaluation tool.

Yes, eye test. And you and I disagree on this. Murray will almost certainly be a free agent this offseason. Would you want the Panthers to pursue him? (I don't)

Understood, and lots of rookies at various positions need almost remedial training these days. There are guys who pick it up within a year or two though.

Statistically perhaps... Better quarterback? Disagree. For whatever you think of the Panthers decision making, there's at least an argument to be made for Bryce continuing to start. Murray is gonna be looking for work, and I seriously doubt any other team is going to offer him a starting job. Also haven't really seen anyone suggesting Arizona should keep him.

Fully expect him to adjust quicker. But he can't age slower.

Murray isn't, and he's likely out of a job at season's end. Brissett? Haven't seen enough but I know he's not getting starter offers. Pretty good backup though.

Yeah, I've seen the clip. To my knowledge, that's never been done before. Hell, I wouldn't have believed it was possible either

Gotcha. I asked because PD was responding to me in the post you quoted. I'm definitely not "pro Bryce" but I've accepted that he's probably the starter here for at least next year... possibly the year after also.

Don't know if I'd describe Todd Wash as having "heavy" ties but he does have ties. Depending on title and contract situations, Gus Bradley Could be an option. He's currently listed as the "Assistant Head Coach for Defense" in San Francisco although Saleh is the game day DC. Wash was Bradley's DC when Bradley was head coach of the Jags.

The trade off for him is likely gonna be a shorter career though. Being a 26 year old rookie in the NFL is something of an uphill climb.

Definitely up there...

Sadly, I wasn't watching when the pick / fumble combo play happened, but damn do I wish I was Also given that Lady Cowboy Fan despises the Eagles, I'm sure she would have loved it too.

Me? Where would you get the idea I'm "clinging to hope" or disagreeing that the trade up to take Bryce was a huge mistake? It was a massive mistake. It set us back years as a franchise. If it were up to me, I'd prefer to put it in the rear view mirror and move on... ...but I don't realistically see that happening.