Mr. Scot

Wrong. I'm using Owens as an example to point out that sometimes teams decide star players aren't worth the headache. Your attitude as a fan might be "who cares, they're millionaires, they can suck it up". On the flipside, their attitude (from the perspective of people used to getting what they want and not necessarily fans of dealing with things that piss them off) might be that Player X is a POS that they don't want to have to deal with every day. These guys are actual human beings, believe it or not.

I don't know what Fitterer thinks. None of us do. Point though is that if it turned out Fitterer thought it wasn't trading for him, that'd raise an eyebrow. We'd all wonder why.

Thanks for supporting my point.

Actually, there's been talk of Wilson being a point of contention in the Seahawks locker room for years. Just like the article mentions, some teammates think he gets coddled too much. It's real easy for fans to sit here and say "Who cares if he's an issue as long as he wins?" For the people whose job it is to have to deal with stuff like this everyday though, it's not that simple.

I don't think they'll trade him, but I'd add that we have a GM who probably knows him better than the vast majority of GM's outside of Seattle. There's no way to know what his feelings are on the topic right now, but if it turns out Fitterer isn't interested, that'd really say something.

I've seen this kind of "who cares if he's crazy as long as he wins" rationale before. It's the same logic that was used to justify getting Terrell Owens. Every team that actually did wound up regretting it, and nobody got any championships with him.

I don't know that they could, but apparently his camp has interest in the Saints as a trade destination.

The people who actually have to work with him care...a lot. Plus, remember that one game where they made a playcall attempting to make a hero out of him? It turned out not so good. Throw in that the Athletic article includes comments from a couple of people who seem to think that he might be on the decline and looking for somebody to blame for his struggles.

Excerpt from the article linked above... During a 17-12 loss to the Colt McCoy-led Giants in early December, a game in which the offense scored only 10 points, Wilson dropped back and set up in a clean pocket. He held the ball longer than four seconds and had plenty of space around him, only to take a sack, a play indicative of Wilson’s struggles down the stretch. “What the f--k is wrong with Russell Wilson?” a veteran coach who watched the game said at the time. “He is seeing ghosts. They act like they are not protecting him, but he kills the protection. There are times they got a clean pocket, he runs up in there, he just panics. He is not playing very good at all.” “People say their protection is not that good,” the coach went on. “That whole ‘Let Russ Cook’ thing, he is better when they can run the ball and they play off that, there is no question. No one likes that because they want him to be Dan Marino. Well, he is not Dan Marino. You are who you are. But he looks bad right now.”

Couple of things from the article... At a time this past season when Wilson's performance was a little rough and he was throwing a lot of interceptions, Pete Carroll wanted to switch to emphasizing the run more. Wilson wanted the opposite. As we've heard before, there are players in the Seahawks locker room who think Wilson gets coddled too much by the coaching staff. The Seahawks scouted Josh Allen as due diligence, and also were prepared to draft Patrick Mahomes if he fell to the late first round. Both of those things pissed Russell Wilson off. There's also some folks who think Wilson is looking for somebody to blame because he had an eight game stretch that was "the worst of his career" this season. Wilson's people have approached the Seahawks with several trade options, including to the Saints. The Jets, Dolphins and Raiders have also been mentioned. It all sounds very diva-ish. I wouldn't touch that situation with a ten foot pole.

There's an article on The Athletic as to why. Rift between Wilson and Seahawks over power and control Mentions again that Wilson wants a say in personnel, as well as over the schemes. As before, my answer would be "hell, no".

I'm reminded of Darin Gantt talking about having seen John Fox enthusiastically dragging a very reluctant Marty Hurney into a strip club during Super Bowl week. Gantt was with another reporter who said of Fox "Does he think nobody can see him?"

Saw where that mock also has the Falcons getting Zach Wilson via trade-up. Ugh

Yeah, I wouldn't call it a dream, just one of many options this offseason. Mind you, potentially a great option if we didn't have to give away too much, but also an unlikely one.

I vaguely remember us having a teenage Redskins fan who was obsessed with Patrick Ramsey on here for a while. Kid annoyed the hell out of everybody. We were set to play against them and he wound up making a bet that there was no way we'd sack Ramsey. If we did, he'd leave the board. I think we sacked him on like the third play of the game

I remember when his dad was setting sack records for the Giants. Wrong guy?

It happens Easy mistake to make with similar sounding names. Your brain just kind of goes on autopilot.

My former brother-in-law used to do a lot of investigative reporting of that sort.

Meh. What kind of quarterback name is Peyton?

I don't really know that anybody's movks have been "pretty accurate" beyond picks one and two.

Patrick Ramsey? What year is this? (check your thread title, dude)

I honestly won't be surprised if he's mocked to us several times between now and the draft. Doesn't really mean anything though.

Asking price to move up in this draft might be their soul, yours and mine.

We've got a few folks on here who seem like they're so dedicated to this idea that if he does get traded somewhere else, they're gonna start coming up with trade scenarios to pry him away from his new team.

Would somebody actually pursue charges in this? Doesn't seem like that'd stick given that it's public, but I'm not a legal scholar. I will grant it looks pretty stupid.