Mr. Scot

It's possible he got here, practiced and decided he couldn't hack it. Wouldn't exactly say a lot for his perseverance if that's the case, but hey...

Only if the logic went over your head... See, what Tampa and Kansas City had that we don't was established offensive coaches who could have helped Brady learn how to be an NFL OC. Matt Rhule certainly wasn't (and isn't) qualified to teach anybody how to be an NFL anything.

I'm not willing to put extra effort into arguing over something that's so blatantly stupid. Kinda doubt Rayzor is either. You can declare yourself the winner if you want to, but given that you'll be basing your "win" on something that anybody with half a brain should be able to see is ridiculously idiotic, I'm not gonna be especially concerned about that

I seriously doubt it

Can you prove it numerologically?

Olsen too. The only "star" guy Rhule could legit say he lost despite wanting to keep was Luke. You could maybe argue Bradberry but the basically chose Shaq Thompson over him.

I don't honestly know that much about him other than that a few people in the undrafted players thread were happy we got him. Leaving that soon makes me think it could be something personal.

I've given this idiotic suggestion all the effort it deserves. If you actually want to stand by this dumbass idea, I'm more than happy to let you

You're referring to The Horseshit Method?

A little more info on one of our undrafted guys... Hartlaub basically came to one practice and left. Wonder what the deal was there

Don't even need to go to the effort because the concept itself is ludicrous. Rhule had an established team that wasn't the worst team in the league the previous year. Neither Fox nor Rivera could say that. And of course there was Capers who had to start from nothing. Speaking of which, besides the coaches in the last 30 years that started expansion teams from the ground up, there are the guys before them that started real expansion teams. They didn't have the kind of advantages that their more modern counterparts were given, and didn't even have things like free agency to rely on either. Using those guys alone, the suggestion that Rhule had the toughest job in history qualifies as absolute buffoonery. As to the "starters" and "leaders" that you listed, the vast majority of them were either guys Rhule himself let go or were just plain crap players or both. What's even funnier is that several of the guys Rhule brought in as their replacements were equally crap. Bottom line: If you're actually going to try and defend this silliness, I'm going to assume you're sh-tposting because this is some of the stupidest crap I've seen (and that takes some effort with guys like Sizzlebuzz on the board).

You do remember this was an expansion team once right? Zero players at all? Had to be built from the ground up? Any of that ring a bell? I'd add that calling all but one or two of those guys "stars" is a huge stretch. And even for the ones where it might be legit, they were on the downside of their careers. As to guys like Dontari Poe, Greg Van Roten and others? Yeah, losing those guys sure hurt Hell, Fox started and Rivera both started off with a 1 win teams. And let's stop with the Covid stuff. Every other team had to deal with that too, including the new coaches. I hope you're just sh-tposting, because the suggestion that Rhule had the toughest start in history is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here.

The vast majority of those guys either weren't wanted back or weren't very good. And calling this "the toughest start to an NFL head coach career" is ridiculous. Heck, there are people who started the same year as Rhule who had it just as tough or tougher and are doing way better now. Rhule can't even rightly be credited with having the toughest start of any Panthers coach.

I'm not convinced Burns is going to have a great season this year. Teams know they can run on him now, and without a guy like Reddick taking attention away from him, he might not be as effective as a pass rusher either.

I don't know if we'll be the worst, but there's a very realistic chance we're going to be pretty bad. Biggest reason? Our head coach was thoroughly outcoached by five guys who were bad enough to get fired last year. Even with an improved roster and potentially better assistants, that's a huge question mark.

Oh please don't let that come back as a freezing cold take

Don't give a rats ass about power rankings, but I find this amusing. And let's be real. After last year, we're in no position to complain about people doubting us.

Falcons beat us last time we played, and the game wasn't really as close as the final score indicated.

That's a really big "if"...

Dead last in the Power Rankings... Tweeted out by Stephen Drummond?

You're used to the squat, widebody type at guard?

Fair point.

In this particular case, I think "throwing the football" encompasses passing and quarterback play in general.

Pretty much. If the most ideal situation is for you to do as little as possible, why are you here?

On the flipside (hopefully) McCreight is a long time NFL personnel guy with two Super Bowl rings.