kungfoodude

Dalton is not a game manager. He was a multi-Pro Bowl player with the ability to elevate play around him but not consistently. He is very much in the Baker Mayfield-ish gunslinged mold(or rather Baker is in the Dalton mold, really). Both of them are on the lower end of the TO prone spectrum for a true gunslinger. The Favre-esque guys like Winston/Howell are on the high TO side of that, as an example.

A good current example would be a guy like Brissett. He is a very classic game manager type.

Basically a guy that is typically charged with limiting turnovers and making plays inside the scheme of the offense. Also not typically a guy that is capable of elevating the players around him but rather vice versa. It's often thrown a lot at less physically gifted QB's but I think that is generally inaccurate. It's not what your ceiling is physically, it's how you generally perform on the field. In short, a guy that isn't going to be the sole reason you win games very often but shouldn't be the sole reason you lose games either.

It's a rookie deal. All the signing bonus his is spread evenly over the life of the deal. That's our dead cap burden, which in this case we would be toting ~$22 mil of across this and next season. This is another reason you don't usually see 1st round picks moved until towards the end of their contracts. It actually is a substantial cap burden.

Probably any deal will be after the start of the league new year in 2025. That's basically the only way we can get something down without having to jettison $7 mil in salary or find someone(s) willing to start contract extension negotiations during the season. Hence why I really don't think you will see us do much with him until 2025. Ideally we agree in principle to a deal that will process after June 1st. Then we will minimalize the dead cap hit. It's likely to be another very tough offseason for us cap-wise so any assistance in alleviating that is likely worth more than a mid round versus late round draft pick.

We can't absorb $8.1 mil in dead cap. We would have to somehow clear $7 mil in cap before the NFL would allow us to even make the trade. Otherwise we are over the cap. Remember that we had to maniacally scramble to get under the cap prior to the season. This makes WAY more sense to deal with either in the offseason or after June 1st, 2025. There is no real risk to the team. His value is already quite low and it dropping from something like a 4th to a 6th/7th is relatively meaningless. Additionally, we don't really have a valid backup option behind Dalton without him(arguably we don't WITH him either).

Base salary hit transfers to the new team but all bonus money(which is prorated over the term of the contract) stays with the Panthers as dead money because it was already paid out.

The media distraction will fade if Dalton keeps being successful. If we ascend to a 5+ win team this season, most of the national media will ignore the Bryce storyline until the offseason(minus the trade deadline week).

I think OTC may be making a calculation error on the post June 1st trade option. That would be the same as a post-June 1st cut on the cap. We would be relieved of all base salary but the remaining bonus money accelerates to being an equal hit over this year and next year's cap. If you look at how that is calculating, it isn't accurate. For an example, go look at the same thing for Deshaun Watson. They show a net positive cap hit for trading him this season, which we know to be completely false.

When will the Dalton led Panthers lose a game. If you read through the thread you will see the consensus is that this will not happen in 2024 or early 2025. Unfortunately, we will be left searching for a QB for the 2025 season as Dalton will retire after his SB victory.

That completely ignores the significant cap ramifications. Hence my statement.

It's financially irresponsible to make that move now.

The Venn Diagram of teams believing we are solely to blame and that also thought he was the number 1 QB probably looks like a pair of eyeglasses.

bengals (0-3) - L bears (1-2) - W falcons (1-2) - L commanders (2-1) - L broncos (1-2) - W saints (2-1) - L giants (1-2) - W chiefs (3-0) - L bucs (2-1) - L cowboys (1-2) - L cards (1-2) - W

He will probably be moved in the offseason. If he is not, you can go ahead and chalk that up to more roster mismanagement.

He got whipped once last night early but he was decent after.

So they didn't draft Brian Thomas? The OL is underwhelming but it's still not a bottom 10 unit in the league. It's functional enough to perform. I have seen multiple seasons of Lawrence not being great. His peak has been slightly above average starter quality. The truth is....he is a bust. Not a bust to the extent that he isn't going to likely continue to be a starting caliber QB or priority backup for a long time but he isn't remotely close to a generational player. He's much more Ryan Tannehill than he is Patrick Mahomes. Nothing wrong with that, minus the "generational talent" label.

Mims looked a little up and down last night. Not sure we are really equipped to fully take advantage of him but it should be a potential weakness.

I would consider that trade provided this time Caleb rides the pine to watch for a bit. Caleb might be salvageable or even good. Bryce is neither.

I have no desire to watch him MAYBE ascend to league averagish for top of the positon pay. That's nuts. Only a blind fool or a Clemson homer would want that.

This is completely untrue. They have invested in their OL, they have talent at WR and they have good RB's. Lawrence is a large portion of their struggles.

He isn't garbage but he is below average. Why would we want that price tag for that?

He seems to be growing in that regard.

Who is talking about replacing him??

The biggest issue with be that we don't have Gardner Minshew going full Bryce. Burrow isn't going to create phantom pressure like Minshew was. If we aren't able to get pressure on Burrow, he is going to fuging torch our secondary.