kungfoodude

6-10 years to have a decent chunk of your two deep be contributing from the draft. Right now we are close to having none. That takes a LOT of time to remedy

We do need someone more dynamic in that aspect. But there are a lot of options in FA and the draft. Not a major need.

I am guessing if things go about average(and historically we are far, far, far below average) in the upcoming drafts, it would take 6-10 years of solid drafting(not great just solid) to really mold the current situation in a proper rebuild. We have next to no foundation. That takes a substantial amount of time to build properly if you want it through the draft.

No offense but I just don't see much NFL ability in Shipley, personally. I have him as a 7th-UDFA guy. I am sure he will get drafted but I just don't like him as an NFL guy.

RB's will be heavily devalued in thia draft because of the glut of excellent FA options. We can probably get Day Two players late in Day Three because of that. I don't consider RB much of a need but I am all-in on BPA. If the best guy there is a RB, pull the trigger.

100%. I am not saying he might not pan out but he has a lot of very classic red flags for a WR in recent drafts. I get it, the idea of a guy just plucking passes over the top of helpless DB's is great but this isn't college football. Almost all these guys are fast as fug, skilled as fug and can jump high as fug. Steve Smith didn't need to be that size to body people and jump over then. That is TRULY about the Dawg in you. I am not convinced I saw anything like that in Coleman.

Cousins or Wilson, depending on the cost for either. Fields is actually a bad gamble. You have to decide on his 5th year deal almost immediately, so it could end up being a more expensive bust than you had planned on if you do that and he plays the way he has in his first three years. Cousins or Wilson offer an option to immediately be the best team in the NFC South.

We don't have that luxury. As it currently stands, it's unlikely you will see any current WR on our roster still in a Panthers uniform in a couple of seasons. You go into this draft assuming none of these guys are part of our future. That goes well beyond WR. Almost every position on this team is the same.

This is arguably one of the best free agent RB classes of all time. Unfortunately we made our play last year with Sanders. It's unlikely we will be buyers in that market because of the cap implications.

You also need polished WR's that get separation, run good routes ans make plays in space. Coleman doesn't tick all those boxes while some others that MAY be available might. It's BPA. If that Coleman at the time, by all means. But I don't want to see another classic Panthers reach on gamble in the 2nd or 3rd. Seen enough of those, thanks.

I think we have seen that Mingo needs to be upgraded. We don't have the luxury of assuming anyone on our roster is going to pan out. Most will not.

We need to be doing that, plain and simple. There is no position on this team that isn't a season or so away from a new starter due to age or potential free agency. We have some talent here but a lot of it was gathered in free agency on deals that were not long. The roster needs a concerted 5-7 year effort of doing better than average in the NFL Draft to start moving in a positive direction for a stable future. I don’t think most people completely understand how badly our roster has been mismanaged over the past decade. We have the smallest pool of team drafted talent in the entire NFL.

Wouldn't read too much into the Ickey situation. The truth is our starting IOL is abysmal and our backups at every position on the OL would largely not make any other team in the NFL. That unit needs a LOT of help. If we draft well for the next 3-4 offseasons, it's possible we can rehabilitate it into an above average unit.

The Bryce move may end up being the worst because of what we could have had(it will depend on DJ and the #1 overall picks career). The CMC trade was actually a good trade. That will probably be the most compensation anyone gets for a RB possibly in the next decade or more. I mean, obviously we squandered all the draft capital we got becuz Panthers. The Burns decision though.....that could definitely end up being the worst decision. There is actually a significant chance it's even worse than the Bryce deal.

LB. This was discussed a few weeks ago, IIRC.

I get what you are saying due to the depth but we have an insane amount of roster needs and are are in a full rebuild. It should be BPA all the way. We need talent, plain and simple. If it lines up with our immediate needs, even better. That's too often how we have historically done so poorly, pressed for a need when those positions had been picked over already. BPA all the way.

Sure but there is a difference between fan feelings and how a front office feels.

Sure. I don't disagree in theory but our team experience has been horrifying

Remember the intense "who was the worst GM" debates about Gettleman vs. Hurney? Those are dead forever. Fitterer so thoroughly lapped the field on that.

You basically alluded to that. That's creating a different sort of mismatch at TE. Not the same thing. There is a reason there aren't a lot of tall and limited possession receivers that are popular in modern NFL offenses. It's a different era. I don’t think this specific prospect offers much different than TMJ or Mingo.

Separation is critical in the modern NFL. It's great that he is sure handed but so is someone like McConkey who also gets separation with regularity. This smacks of Prime Cam "Get him tall WR's" strategy. The modern NFL thrives on separation and creating in space.

INB4 Gettleman-esque Tag and Cut.

I expect two tags and then he leaves in free agency when wd can no longer tag him. That is basically what I see transpiring.

40 time is distinctively different from the ability to separate. The tape will tell the story on that. I don’t love him as a prospect, TBH. Also, our history with FSU players is pretty bad. As I said in another thread, I am just fine never taking another FSU player again.

We are definitely going to run into many players that are just simply not interested in playing here.