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Hence why so many of us did not want to see Morgan installed as GM. He was Fitterer's assistant GM. Is anyone really buying that for some reason he disagreed with every lightspeed stupid move Fitterer made? Or is it just much more likely that they largely agreed on the bulk of these decisions? So, until we get real change in that FO, the expectations are going to remain extremely low.

At this point you throw all that out and take BPA. What we sorely need are actual NFL starting caliber players. There are extremely few of those on the roster and less than 5 that will likely be here in two seasons. Just start building with players. Not dumb reaches, actual players. If it fills a critical need, fine. If not, no big deal. Just get some actual talent on the roster for a change. If we start there, a couple of drafts from now we might have the luxury of trying to fill actual roster needs.

It was less about the QB than the thought that we just knew better than anyone. We could have waited and another WR(most likely better) would have easily dropped in our lap in the 2nd. Nope. Instead we trade to get XL because "he's our guy." Dumb. Classic Fitterer BS. You could have fixed an obvious hole in the offense in round two and drafted Zach Frazier, a center for your bright shiny new QB for the next decade plus. Nope. RB that might not even play in 2024. Dumb. Classic Fitterer BS. We can keep going down the list and it's just gonna get worse. A bunch of guys that aren't ready to play. Classic Fitterer.

I am not being dramatic. Name one instance of a worst to first in the last 20 years with a roster as bad as this. I don't think you realize or accept how bad this roster is.

We will run into at least one more "they played terrible" and "we played great" game like the Raiders. It's just inevitable.

This has zero to do with Bryce Young. It's about drafting a guy that needed to be on the bench for a couple of seasons to figure this poo out when you could have gotten an NFL ready player from day one. We do this poo all the fuging time and it's infuriating. If the answer to "is he ready to play now" is "no", that is not a top 3 round pick player. That's a fuging day three player.

No, I thought we were going to maybe draft intelligently for once and actually get people that, I don't know, can play professional football. Not a bunch of, as some one said earlier, scratch off tickets in the hope we get that 1st round caliber player at some future date. Much like anyone else who plays scratch offs, you end up mainly with UDFA caliber players, which is exactly what we have drafted since Tepper took over.

It isn't a two year process from where we have torn down to. That's the problem. We could fuging destroy the next two drafts and free agency periods and we might improve to maybe .500 football. This is literally why I said we should have never torn down this franchise. Now you have to completely build culture and you have to replace about 85% of the roster with NFL capable players. That is NOT a 2 year building process. It's years. YEARS.

You are literally describing a 7th round special teams guy, not a 2nd rounder. That's the problem. Sure, if he was actually a sure handed WR. The truth is that he isn't that yet. Remember, he isn't some 21 year old. He's about half a year younger than TMJ. We can't afford for him to take 3-4 years to figure this out. If you wanted a QB's best friend and just HAD to trade up, go get a Brian Thomas. That's an effective and pro ready WR. Or how about a guy that went after XL? McConkley who consistently is able to get open and even catch the ball with his actual hands!!!

It IS about winning. It's not about drafting guys that have low chances of panning out because they need a bunch of development or for things to just go right. This is where we fail all the time as an organization under Tepper. Thinking we are smarter than everyone else when 95+% of the time we are substantially dumber than anyone else. This entire 2024 draft reeks of this hubris.

There are always the "woulda/coulda" kind of moves that get a lot of teams, but we fuging whiff on decisions 70% of the retards in this message board would get right. It's insane.

I initially said 3-5 wins and adjusted up to 4-6 after the Raiders. Turns out, they are just also quite bad. I still think we win 3. We will win one late to drop us two spots in the draft.

How were they about helping him? XL isn't a ready to play guy. He's a project. Brooks was always going to miss significant time. Another long term prospect. The problem is that we have no idea about how to build a success roster nor evaluate talent. That much is painfully obvious. Like I said, that 2024 draft was a Fitterer classic, high ceiling, immensely low floor guys.

Well, we were probably always a bottom 3 team.

Bro, I don't even have the words.

I never wanted to enter into this level of tear down in the beginning(2018) because it usually takes years to ever pull out of. And, guess what? We are six years into it and trending in the wrong direction. It's likely to be a decade+ of losing football because of this teardown. This is quite literally why intelligent franchises never, EVER do this sort of thing.

I suspect we will see our solid OL play immediately get nuked after this. We have no valid replacement for Corbett. It's the one OL weakness we knew we had but we didn't address it. Whelp, can't say a lot of us didn't warn them. Pages and pages of people bitching in here about this scenario.

But we couldn't draft a center.....

Throwing him out there is not how to build confidence. Sitting him until he is ready is. He needs at least probably a season or two on the pine to regain anything.

If they did it was hard to tell with the 2024 draft. Boy that was a very Fitterer draft.

Honestly, maybe not as much as you would think. I lot of the guys that are crushing it do so fairly across the board. The amount of long tenured day three picks was eye opening, even if they were just backups.

Well, the Rams are more toward the middle of the pack in GPPP. That's without any first round picks too. If you look at then specifically, it's just not many hits in general. They have had a BUNCH of 2nd and 3rd round picks that didn't pan out either(14 total).

From 2023 and 2024, yes. For the most part that has already happened to the 2019-2022 guys. Hence why I say that the data is probably a pretty decent look at the overall. It includes all those guys on all these rosters that had the different trajectories. If I extended it out further by a few years, I don't suspect it is going to drastically change much. Usually the thing that moved the needle the most was teams with a ton of guys that played for 30+ games(across the board, not just in the first 3 rounds) or 1 or 2 massive drafts of high wAV players. One of the very obvious differences between us and some of the top teams is that we don't get many of the 4th to 7th round journeymen backups that you see on better teams. That is literally almost nonexistent for us.

Again, completely untrue. We have drafted 43 players from 2019 to 2024, only 18 have stepped onto an NFL field in 2024. This is what I am saying, even in our situation, those guys are typically out of the league very quickly. From 2019-2022(31 picks), only six of those drafted players remain on our roster. Only 9 are still active in the NFL. Our low amount of games per player is indicating that we don't even have drafted guys stay in the league more than a couple of seasons. Feel free to look, I already looked at all 32 teams.