kungfoodude

@frankw Let's just stop derailing this thread with this crap. None of us are going to agree on it and it's an extremely irrelevant discussion to the cuts. Let's all just move on to actual cut news and table this fiasco to some later date or a standalone thread.

It's definitely a historical issue at QB but to be perfectly blunt, we also don't do a good job of really developing almost any position if you look at the last decade or so. I tend to be on the side of that being far less a development issue than an evaluation deficiency. I think we are in the situation at QB2/3 recently due to the overall roster being absolutely abhorrent and the QB classes being quite thin. It is harder to justify another Matt Corral(or several) when you can potentially get a real two deep contributor at other positions. But, it was a lot of hard work to get to the point where are roster is so incredibly bad that luxury picks literally are not in our vocabulary. This is the reaping what you sow portion of our history.

Lol. Worst case? I think you mean most likely result. I don't think people are going to be wasting much breath on Dalton or QB2 if Bryce flounders this year. It's going to be people calling for coaches, GM's and owners heads for the mess we got ourselves in with Bryce in the first place. Rightfully so.

They have drafted two QB's since they took Hurts in the 2020 Draft. Tanner McKee(6th - 2023) and Kyle McCord(6th - 2025). In that span we have drafted Bryce Young(1st - 2023) and Matt Corral(3rd - 2022). Technically, we have invested significantly higher draft capital on QB's(albeit one less than they). It's not the investement that is the issue, it's the results. Corral was literally not a rosterable player with a THIRD ROUND PICK. We gave up a king's ransom for Bryce to basically get Davis Mills results(so far).

Yeah. I mean I watched a pretty good chunk of their games and that coach definitely put him in a position to succeed very often with that Ferrari offense. I think you saw what they really thought about him when they let him walk out the door. I am telling you, watch what transpires. I for one will not be surprised at all.

I think you are just lashing out pointlessly because you are just generally butthurt. I have no idea why the backup QB suddenly is the most important thing in your mind but by all means, keep ranting away. I can assure you, our failure or success this season will have very, very little to do with that.

Yeah and that is why I am flabbergasted that all this wailing and gnashing of teeth over fuging backup QB's is even happening. Who. The. fug. Cares.

I can't help you see it, buddy, but it really shouldn't take much more than a look around NFL depth charts and it should immediately become fairly obvious he isn't anywhere close to a lower end backup. The Saints and their QB "decisions" are probably not the best example of a functional organization. But, please do tell me how Tyler Shough is the guy we should really have.

I mean, Darnold is a bum and has always been. You will see that in full form this year in Seattle, I predict, on the way to being what he should be....a career backup QB. Mayfield was literally a good QB prior to us getting him. I never bought into the "Mayfield is a bum" stuff. He wasn't/isn't an elite QB but he is far from a lower tier starter. They didn't work out well here because how in the fug could you in the conditions we had for them?

Yeah, I mean effort is certainly a word for it. I would largely call the Rhule/Fitterer era as floundering about.

I am not the one pitching a fit, frank. Again, I don't agree with this notion that Dalton is some washed up scrub. He is one of the better backup QB's in the NFL. Despite that....he isn't gonna walk in there and start rattling off wins. Jesus....what backup QB in the NFL right now is?? We. Stink. A competent backup exists to not immediately sink the ship if he has to play for a few games. Dalton is capable of that. Losing games slightly better or worse than Bryce. If you want competition for Bryce, WTF are you bitching at all of us for? You think we are David Tepper, Dan Morgan, etc? I don't have any control over the ignorant poo they do. Sure, it would be great to have invested some resources in a young QB but you also have to be realistic about this roster. It still sucks. We have holes in every possible direction, our depth is a fuging joke and our starters are about as bad. It's genuinely a luxury to be taking a young QB anywhere either than day 3, especially with how weak some of the recent QB drafts have been. And we all know that those day 3 QB's are probably less likely to pan out that some special teams caliber OL/DL/DB/etc. I don't blame them for not spamming pick after pick at QB because they already have a massive investment in Bryce. That's the fuging business part of the NFL, like it or not. If it doesn't pan out this year, I fully expect a pivot and given track record, I am quite sure it will fail spectacularly as it has almost a dozen fuging times since Cam's arm got nuked. Welcome to Panthers Nation, buddy.

Yeah, even if the Panthers and Hornets bolted, I would still watch those sports. I still enjoy the atmosphere, banter, etc.

I mean, no one in recent memory has put more effort towards QB than us. poo, look at the price we paid for Bryce, look at the revolving door at QB since Cam left. What you are bitching about has nothing to do with effort, it has to do with results. Well.....welcome to the party. Aren't we all pretty perturbed about that?

If you want developmental, that's what the NFL Draft is for. Not dumpster diving for 6th string QB's that aren't worthy of much more than a PS look. The time to "upgrade" in terms of backup QB(of which you will have a hard time doing so over Dalton) was free agency and it comes at a cost. Also, most of those guys are not rookies on cheap deals. That's why I don't understand all the whining. The die is set at QB, quite frankly, it's been set since we drafted Bryce. Until we figure that situation out, this is what we have to deal with. Pining over hopeless scrubs ain't gonna change that fact.

I think most of my Panthers "anger" is pretty much mock at this point. It's basically just at the level of being annoyed. I do reserve some energy for teams I hate, still.

I think I only still get a little heated over NHL. The Panthers and Hornets have worn me down to the point of largely being apathetic.

The worst case scenario is that we have two backup caliber QB's. Well the Browns have maybe 2 and some PS guys. Who cares? If Bryce isn't the answer it just is what it is. I have no idea why you people keep thinking there is some fuging savior just floundering away on an AFL/CFL/XFL team or PS. Those guys are there for a reason. The examples of that working out are literally as outlier as you can get.

They are all in on the rookie. The optics are bad across the board to attempt to "save" him from a beating by putting in Cousins. If you can't handle that schematically, you are toast as a HC/OC.

I know. The amount of angst over Dalton and pining after these absolute unholy bums is fuging comical.

Cousins doesn't really play well under constant duress, so I am not sure that is something to worry about. It's certainly possible but I don't think it's likely. TBH, he does seem fairly washed.

Yeah, the college homers are pretty insufferable across the board. That's one thing I notice with the non-college sports areas of the country that is really, really nice. That sort of homerism doesn't bleed into the pro fan ranks nearly as much. It's refreshing. IDGAF where you went to college, if you are great, great. If you suck, you suck. I will never forget being in Columbia, SC at a sports bar and basically the Panthers game being relegated to only one TV because all the rest of them were showing the Cleveland fuging Browns and their 19th string QB who was from the Cocks. About 80% of the people were there to watching this inconsequential bum in a game of zeo importance instead of the suppsed "One Team, Two States." That and several other similar instances showed me that the Panthers never have and never will be a SC representing team.

This is where the Huddle gets delusional simping over a PS/CFL player. Mills actually has had pretty similar results to Bryce overall. Take that for whatever it's worth.

If AT is gone, Coker will 100% be the guy that gets elevated.

Yeah, his fanbois were certainly delusional. Still, I thought he was going to be at least a half decent backup QB. Doesn't seem likely now.

Yeah but you know if you are a borderline player the margins are razor thin. Getting a boneheaded penalty like that is exactly how you get walking papers in that position.