kungfoodude

Risks are fine but taking risks all the time will bite you. I think this all suits the Tepper mentality though. It's how he built his fortune. So when these guys act like they are smarter than the rest of the league, he gravitates towards that thinking.

Show me recent situations where we thought we were smarter than the rest of the league and it worked out. I can show you dozens of examples of that not being the case. I am not going to applaud hubris. Especially when it has nothing to back it up.

The issue is we aren't Seattle, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc. We don't have a track record of development and we don't really have the luxury of developing players. We need guys to play and contribute. But we aren't taking guys that can play and contribute. We are taking more TMJ's and DJ Johnson's. Players that need a ton of work. Or just reaching on lower value positions like RB. New day, same Panthers. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I mean, if you put all these moves side by side, included the trade info, the RAS scores and the positions, I couldn't tell you which moves are his and which aren't. I hope I am wrong but this feels like another case of, "Boy none of these guys are still on the team from that 2024 draft" in about 3 seasons. I am just starting to accept that this is what happens when the franchise is so dysfunctional. That's why all those Bengals, Lions and Browns drafts all got panned at the time and even more so afterwards. It's just endemic to the situation. Bad franchises do this to themselves.

It's basically proven to be a very bad strategy in the modern NFL. Productive guys can be had in rounds 3-5. I just have no idea what the fug we are doing. I really don't.

Given that we are likely to be only in a marginally better spot than last year, yes. There excuses will be there. Regardless, if he struggles again then the league is going to start looking at him like previous bust QB's. He will get a shot as a backup and journeyman elsewhere and if that doesn't pan out, the options will get far shorter(pun not intended). Although he is likely in a bad spot in 2024, he has to show something or the pool of "It's the Panthers that are dragging him down" folks will start saying, "Why hasn't he improved? Is he fixable?"

Yep. We apparently are anti-BPA. Plus all the trading up and down to get guys that seem like reaches.......boy that all seems really familiar.....

That's the same argument I heard for the last two staffs and the guys we drafted back then. Unfortunately, until that actually happens, I am going to be very skeptical.

This draft feels like the RAS addiction is still lurking in the FO. Just a lot of head scratching moves with better options available. Oh well, such is the way of the Tepper Panthers. It is what it is.

Good Christ that would be a HR. That is at least 3 potential starters.

Absolutely not. 39 is too high for Wilson and I have no desire fo draft Shipley above the 4th.

Drastically? Absolutely not. Still a C tier or lower overall squad, IMO. Improved? Definitely. Adding Johnson gives us another actual NFL WR.

Speaking of boom or bust.....Jesus.

He has the highest ceiling but probably also the lowest floor of the top three guys. True boom or bust guy. But it's better than the low ceiling and even lower floor guy they previously drafted. I kind of think McCarthy ends up a little that way. Great measurables but just never really produced the way he should have, IMO.

I would say that Johnson and Theilen are the only non-replacement level players in our WR corps. So we at least have two guys that have a prayer of getting open in a given game. The rest of that group?? Woof.

I sort of disagree because had he gone to KC or Seattle he would have been surrounded by organizations that are very good at developing players. Here, that is definitely not the case.

That's sort of been the story of us recently. Shooting for the moon and falling into the ocean instead. The trade up was just stupid. But, we will see if the player is worthwhile.

Yeah, those are always case by case. Without really being privvy to the bulk of the details, it's hard to make a judgement. We get little bits, the scouts and FO's get a fair amount more If they deem the risk worthwhile, so be it.

Eh....that can happen but also bring in a professional situation can help. College football is a pretty bad about developing players in terms of football or maturing them as adults.

I think his peak is an elite game manager. He just isn't ever going to be a guy that blows the doors off. We will see. Hope I am incorrect.

I think the truth is that most young QB's struggle in tough situations like Bryce was in. Only the truly elite don't. Which, I think we can all probably agree Bryce is not going to ever be a super elite guy.

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And third and fourth and....

The first two rounds are typically starter level players. After that it's mainly rotational or depth guys. Which, we need a ton of depth, as well.