kungfoodude

College homer idiocy.

Well he did have the holding penalty.

Well, even then this is gonna be pretty vanilla. I wouldn't get too amped on that point.

Honestly, this has been more watchable than the starters.

Smitty talking Jake's 40 had me laughing.

Windmon trying to make this team.

Meh. 3rd stringer on a team that will likely just keep 2 anyway.

You need to focus on making the team, not posting in game.

That's gonna be a fun hole to dig out of if we can him and end up back in a 4-3 base. Honestly, I would be far less worried about that in terms of those IDL guys than I would our EDGE guys.

I mean, if we legit have BB on the bench at DE and Wharton in the middle......Evero might be gone by mid-season.

Well, welcome to being a Tepper era Panthers fan. We have maybe up to 10-12 players that would even get serious consideration on the remaining 31 teams in the NFL. You just need to learn to Tepper your expectations.

Brother, you don't end up 32nd in rushing defense accidentally. It takes work.

I know. He is a DE in our scheme. I don't get it either.

Well that is our best OL versus our tiniest DL.

I do find it very funny that the source you are referencing also so clearly shows how much better AT has performed in 2024 than anyone on the roster that isn't Jalen Coker. Look, I get that you have some personal axe to grind with AT but you are genuinely letting it get in the way of your ability to be objective. He has been overwhelmingly our best WR in 2023 and 2024. It's backed up by statistics, metrics, even the simple eye test. That's basically what the great roster building work under David Tepper has done. You have a mid-30's, slow #1 WR.

Of those 40+ target guys for YAC/Rec, AT was only behind J. Sanders, Hubbard and Coker for 2024. In 2023 it was Hubbard, M. Sanders and Mingo. So, in a lot of ways, it has been the WR's(Chark, XL, Diontae, D. Moore, etc) that haven't been producing those YAC. Not claiming AT is a YAC guy at all but, as so many of us keep saying, it's not AT that's the issue. It's the guys that are supposed to be outproducing him.

Yeah and this was trading two 6ths for a starter, as well.

Yeah, 100%. We SHOULDN'T be in the position where he is getting this volume. The hope is with Coker/XL having a year of development and TMac coming in, that should spread things around and lessen that raw need. In theory....

Brother, on players with over 40 targets in 2024 he had the highest catch percentage on the team. He was 2nd highest in 2023(behind only Hubbard). Yes he is slow as dirt but they are targeting him because he actually does catch the ball. That is literally why he beats out other players here. He is dependable.

The issue has little to do with politics. It's about his value and his cost. Those aren't logical to sell at a value that makes any sense at all for us. Why trade a valuable contributor for a 7th or conditional 6th at best? I suppose if you get a mail mary idiot like the Cowboys again, maybe that should be in consideration.

Also, for all the guys pounding the table to get all this compensation for our scrubs, this is the actual reality of the market. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46034061/jets-deal-vikings-harrison-phillips-browns-jowon-briggs

I used to surf trial to trial for some of college. Nice little trick back in the day.

I wouldn't call that great criteria for a trade(SB contention). If that's the criteria than probably 99.9% of all NFL trades have failed. Mack was the better contributor versus what he was traded for. That's the most basic criteria, IMO.

Yeah, that's why I roll my eyes so hard when people throw out Allen with the Fields or AR situations. That is such an extreme outlier that there are few that rival them. One could certainly make an argument for Lamar Jackson(57% career passer in college) but I think some of that was scheme at Louisville.