kungfoodude

It isn't a two year process from where we have torn down to. That's the problem. We could fuging destroy the next two drafts and free agency periods and we might improve to maybe .500 football. This is literally why I said we should have never torn down this franchise. Now you have to completely build culture and you have to replace about 85% of the roster with NFL capable players. That is NOT a 2 year building process. It's years. YEARS.

You are literally describing a 7th round special teams guy, not a 2nd rounder. That's the problem. Sure, if he was actually a sure handed WR. The truth is that he isn't that yet. Remember, he isn't some 21 year old. He's about half a year younger than TMJ. We can't afford for him to take 3-4 years to figure this out. If you wanted a QB's best friend and just HAD to trade up, go get a Brian Thomas. That's an effective and pro ready WR. Or how about a guy that went after XL? McConkley who consistently is able to get open and even catch the ball with his actual hands!!!

It IS about winning. It's not about drafting guys that have low chances of panning out because they need a bunch of development or for things to just go right. This is where we fail all the time as an organization under Tepper. Thinking we are smarter than everyone else when 95+% of the time we are substantially dumber than anyone else. This entire 2024 draft reeks of this hubris.

There are always the "woulda/coulda" kind of moves that get a lot of teams, but we fuging whiff on decisions 70% of the retards in this message board would get right. It's insane.

I initially said 3-5 wins and adjusted up to 4-6 after the Raiders. Turns out, they are just also quite bad. I still think we win 3. We will win one late to drop us two spots in the draft.

How were they about helping him? XL isn't a ready to play guy. He's a project. Brooks was always going to miss significant time. Another long term prospect. The problem is that we have no idea about how to build a success roster nor evaluate talent. That much is painfully obvious. Like I said, that 2024 draft was a Fitterer classic, high ceiling, immensely low floor guys.

Well, we were probably always a bottom 3 team.

Bro, I don't even have the words.

I never wanted to enter into this level of tear down in the beginning(2018) because it usually takes years to ever pull out of. And, guess what? We are six years into it and trending in the wrong direction. It's likely to be a decade+ of losing football because of this teardown. This is quite literally why intelligent franchises never, EVER do this sort of thing.

I suspect we will see our solid OL play immediately get nuked after this. We have no valid replacement for Corbett. It's the one OL weakness we knew we had but we didn't address it. Whelp, can't say a lot of us didn't warn them. Pages and pages of people bitching in here about this scenario.

But we couldn't draft a center.....

Throwing him out there is not how to build confidence. Sitting him until he is ready is. He needs at least probably a season or two on the pine to regain anything.

If they did it was hard to tell with the 2024 draft. Boy that was a very Fitterer draft.

Honestly, maybe not as much as you would think. I lot of the guys that are crushing it do so fairly across the board. The amount of long tenured day three picks was eye opening, even if they were just backups.

Well, the Rams are more toward the middle of the pack in GPPP. That's without any first round picks too. If you look at then specifically, it's just not many hits in general. They have had a BUNCH of 2nd and 3rd round picks that didn't pan out either(14 total).

From 2023 and 2024, yes. For the most part that has already happened to the 2019-2022 guys. Hence why I say that the data is probably a pretty decent look at the overall. It includes all those guys on all these rosters that had the different trajectories. If I extended it out further by a few years, I don't suspect it is going to drastically change much. Usually the thing that moved the needle the most was teams with a ton of guys that played for 30+ games(across the board, not just in the first 3 rounds) or 1 or 2 massive drafts of high wAV players. One of the very obvious differences between us and some of the top teams is that we don't get many of the 4th to 7th round journeymen backups that you see on better teams. That is literally almost nonexistent for us.

Again, completely untrue. We have drafted 43 players from 2019 to 2024, only 18 have stepped onto an NFL field in 2024. This is what I am saying, even in our situation, those guys are typically out of the league very quickly. From 2019-2022(31 picks), only six of those drafted players remain on our roster. Only 9 are still active in the NFL. Our low amount of games per player is indicating that we don't even have drafted guys stay in the league more than a couple of seasons. Feel free to look, I already looked at all 32 teams.

That actually not really true. If you look at the raw data, it's far more common for lower round picks to stick around far longer on the teams at the top of that list. Largely because they do a better job of talent evaluation and also utilizing players more effectively, IMO. It's also that the "hits" are much bigger and/or much more frequent.

I have no qualms with Dalton nor rolling with him beyond this year. He was never going to be a miracle worker. Yesterday he needed a miracle to be able to overcome the horrible defense. He didn't play horrible at all.

In short, we have the 31st ranked average playing time for draft picks(can be interpreted as career length and/or injury related). We have the 26th rated Approximate Value per player in this era. So there are actually 6 teams that have arguably performed worse in the NFL Draft than we have.

Never underestimate how dumb our owner is.

Here are some breakdowns for how we stack up to the rest of the NFL in terms of "Draft Quality." This is from 2019-2023, so basically the "Tepper Era." Tepper took over in May 2018, so our 2018 draft was completely without his input at all so it was not included. The current year cannot be included as the wAV/AV is not generated until after the postseason. wAV is Pro Football Reference's Weighted Approximate Value. I didn't do a DrAV breakdown which would isolate for how the drafted players performed for the team that drafted them but this is really a look at overall talent evaluation and not development.

Here is a fun little factoid. From 2018 to 2021(four full drafts) we drafted a total of 33 players). Only four of them are still on the team. A retention rate of 12.1%. From 2022 to 2024 we have drafted 18 players. We currently have only 11 on the team. A retention rate of just 61.1%. I suspect the 2022 to 2024 retention rate will plumment towards the end of those rookie deals. And people wonder why we are so bad.

Those are the picks you throw out in the 5th-7th round. Get some potential special teams aces to develop. But using the same strategy in the 2nd-4th round??? It's nuts. ESPECIALLY when you literally don't have any talent on the team.