kungfoodude

Yeah, that is what concerns me so much. The history of these reclamation projects at QB is not exactly stellar. I will say that if Horn and the hodgepodge of relatively who Dat OL additions(draft and FA) work out, that will lessen the blow of Darnold continuing to be a bust quite a bit. Although I am certainly a proponent of getting a franchise QB whenever the opportunity presents itself, it wouldn't be awful to have the luxury of pulling a move like San Francisco or the Rams and just buying a new QB after the team is largely in place.

Well, they bought low on both accounts. We will see if that ends up being the right strategy.

I have been optimistic enough in my lifetime as a Panthers fan. I am just adopting a wait and see approach. If it works out, awesome. Finally. If it doesn't.....well....Panthers tradition will remain.

Scared of being the Bengals? 100%.

Yeah but you can insert Marty Hurney and Dave Gettleman into that logic and end up in nothing but tears. We all hope that Rhule and Fitterer know what they are doing but we absolutely do not know that. TBD

I mean, it doesn't even look like he is really........Tryon. I'll see myself out.

Precisely. QB and LT are far more valuable positions in the modern NFL than CB. The question is, are the guys we passed on actually better than Horn will be? TBD.

Well, if Slater turns into a good LT or Fields turns into a good QB while we struggle at LT or QB, it could look like a questionable decision. I don't see a reason to jump on the "WE ARE OBVIOUSLY GENIUSES" train without the acknowledgement that we could end up regretting that 8th pick(or some of the moves after it). We never know the full story until long after the draft.

That is a hindsight discussion, in fairness. How many "on paper" draft classes have we had that looked less than stellar 3-4 years later. This one is likely going to be a boom or bust, IMO. Not a lot of middle ground.

Indeed. Very good gamble. If he is even a two deep player for the entire rookie contract, that is a HR for a 6th round pick.

Pass blocking exists.

I suspect Scott ends up starting the majority of games for us. I still believe it might be a bridge too far for Christensen. I damn sure hope I am wrong. I will rescind every critical comment about Fitt and Rhule's offseason if they nail a very good LT.

I suspect he is drunk. Great post @davos

It isn't lazy. He tested out poorly athletically(not surprising) and he didn't move well in the workouts. This is the classic college fan mistake of assuming that college success is a 1:1 with NFL success.

That is a fair assessment. If things align perfectly, we can be a fringe playoff contender. Even if next season is much of the same as last(in terms of overall results), I will be happy to see the further establishment of our young core and perhaps a glimpse of actually having some semblance of depth on the roster again.

Being able to use Tremble as our FB/H-Back would be huge. Gives us another slot on the roster, basically.

Deonte is pretty poor in pass protection. Mauler as a run blocker though. Quick guys are probably always going to bother him but he can be a brute in the run game.

If you look at the full spread of OL stats, that shows how they were, at best, a bottom half of the league unit. In certain cases, bottom quarter. Keep in mind that ol checkdown Teddy and our scheme also masked some of the problems. Also keep in mind how rare it was for us to be starting the same 5 linemen in consecutive weeks. Make no mistake, it was a pretty bad unit, although it had some pretty good individual contributors. That is gonna have to improve because we have a QB that is far, far less comfortable with pressure in his face than Teddy was.

He did play very well. It would be fantastic if a guy that lowly drafted(or rather undrafted) develops into a quality starter for us. Those kind of successes go a long way towards getting this rebuild moving in the right direction.

QB LT OG? LB FS

If the secondary moves work out and DL moves work out, it could disguise the obvious weaknesses at LB. Also consider that in the very unlikely event that Perryman is healthy, we could suddenly get a LOT better at LB. I wouldn't bank on that being the case but eventually perhaps we will hit on one of these "oft injured" guys. OL should be one of the most interesting positions. Outside Moton and Paradis, literally every other spot should be up for grabs between our FA signings and draft picks. The #3 and #4 WR spots will be an underrated battle too, IMO. Some interesting options we drafted mixed with some veteran returnees. Of course, we will all be comparing those guys to what Samuel does next season. That adds a lot of intrigue. Plus Anderson and Moore are coming up on deals, so that adds an additional element.

Well, a lot of the exceptional athletes are either gone or have some pretty big warts by rounds 4-7. There is a lot more gamble in those rounds in general. Even "reach" picks aren't quite as much of a reach, especially in the circumstances we had this scouting cycle. I think we seem to ignore positional value a bit too much(overall, not just Day 3). That works if you have a high hit rate but it ends up with some spectacularly bad results if you don't. I definitely see a lot of Seahawks influence in some of the things we did. The results there were somewhere between unbelievable to unbelievable disaster. I suspect we will tend to be that way, as well. Let's hope we get our period of crazy early success like they had in Seattle to build a Super Bowl caliber team and sustained long term success. I can deal with having really bad draft results if we are winning 10+ games and contending for titles every year. Sign me up for that.

Pretty much. I think they are just throwing poo at the wall to see if it sticks. But, that is what every franchise without an elite QB is doing. Although we gave up draft capital, at least we aren't so financially invested with this gamble. We have to keep in mind that our FO and coaching staff have learning curves to navigate, as well. We just have to watch the process and hope it nets the desired results.

I am not sure I would necessarily buy into the notion that Notre Dame doesn't have pass catching tight ends under Brian Kelly. He has had Kyle Rudolph and Tyler Eifert. I would say it's probably more so that they didn't view Tremble as that kind of player. On the positive side, if you look at ND's track record under Kelly, they have put a lot of TE's in the NFL in general. So, they do have an established reputation as developing NFL caliber talent at the position.

We will see what they have in mind for him. I am just glad we have at least a couple of younger guys to try out rather than these wastebin JAGS they like to keep cycling through. My bar is pretty low at this point, so if we can even get just quality two deep guys(something we haven't had consistently in a while), that's ultimately a win. I know we seemed ahead of schedule because of how close so many games were last season but this roster is still pretty weak(especially in regards to depth) so I am still being patient with the process of rebuilding. I don't need us to be successful next year, I want to be successful in the long term and actually sustain it at some point. I really can't help that you can't fathom that not thinking this was the best draft in Panthers history is possible. That's really basically a you problem.