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well, what are a handful of teams where offensively you think the QB is in a comparable overall spot or worse? We are just talking offensive production in the end. Bryce isn't in the worst spot offensively in the NFL. This isn't last year. I can flip that too......a lot of QBs inserted into Carolina would be out performing Bryce if we are honest. He has a great OL and run game. Which is the biggest gift you can give a QB.

gotcha. yeah, the cherry picked 206 has him 27th and still sandwiched behind Jones and in front of Gardner. but it's a pretty cherry picked view that overly skews to favor Bryce given all those other guys aren't getting their bad games wiped nor are they getting their non-start stats wiped like Bryce is. So Bryce is slotting ahead of Drake Maye for example. But if you wipe the 1 game Maye didn't start and played a couple snaps garbage time in.....well, Maye is ahead of cherry picked Bryce. Cherry picked Bryce is ahead of Drew Lock because he stepped on field in random games....but Lock averages 233 in his starts. I think if you were to be able to cherry pick out average yards per game as a starter.....even cherry picked Bryce is probably 35-40ish.

Don't check again for an update or you find he is like 35 or something. Behind Gardner and Jones.....as well as Spencer Rattler, O'Connell, Maye, etc.

his comp% and efficiency is still pretty low....especially given he isn't shouldering a lot of offensive production. Bryce flirting with that 60% line.....65+% is basically meh/average in today's NFL. I mean, there is clear improvement. But the bar was basically thrown to the floor. He still has work to reach average

the board is largely for older types that want to bicker with the same people instead of bickering with new different accounts on social media. is it the wild west? I mean, compared to the social media sites like reddit, twitter, etc???

that's why I'm cool w/ parting w/ AT. AT essentially took Ladd off the table. Both would be their best version of themselves in the same spot on the field. So strike him off the list and look at the other spots. Which brings you to XL. A different spot.

100%. You got a trainwreck? Well, you hire a Fox, Ron, etc type. You want over the hump? You replace those types. Often you can't just jump to the over the hump types because they often aren't good with the pooshow. Wilks is an example of that mold as well. there are some unicorns. I think Dan Campbell might be an example but rare.

What I was most wrong about was Corbett at C on the year. I thought he would bring the play of our new OGs down since we were sort of forcing a C position into play.

found the bigger thread. O takes a step forward D a step backwards End result is a team that is picking in the top 10. Who knows how the ball bounces. I'd say about 5ish wins. my 3-5 verbiage obvious better in the other thread though

I know somewhere there is a more active prediction thread. I just couldn't find it with a quick search.

Depends on how the ball bounces and luck of a season. Somewhere between 3-5 wins.

Ron is who you bring in when you need calm seas after a mess. I mean, look at the load he carried in Washington. People forget Ron was basically the face of the entire franchise at first. Not sure Ron could calm the waters in NY though. Think you have to get Rodgers out of there before any coach has a chance

Tampa was middle of the pack last year in YAC. I think that's just a product of the chunk ball approach. You going to get some. Seattle was never a YAC team either. Frankly, if you are trying to make Bryce work....you need a Joe Brady-ish variant. Maybe a not green type that can work the ball in the redzone and isn't overseen by a complete numbskull like Rhule. Bills are #2 in the NFL in YAC per catch. Last time the Panthers sniffed great YAC was in 2020 when they made top 10 in YAC per catch. Joe Brady. We bragged about drafting some point guard to dish it out that isn't a big arm QB......and forgot about all the rest of the puzzle that might allow that to work.

some of it's our weapons, some of it's our scheme/playcalling. Trying to win with Bryce Young and not fixating on YAC remains a silly experiment. That's why we are the saddest pass attack in the NFL under him. It's a horrible plan. And Canales is a chunk play OC. Another plan that makes no sense (but in fairness, the actual plan appeared for the chunk pass play OC to move on from him, hence the super quick benching). But it just leaves us in this oddball marriage going into next year.

real YAC monsters aren't the vertical route runners. Real YAC players take nothing and turn into something. But yeah, it's also got to be part of the scheme and making that part of the O. if you look at the NFL YAC leaders. Top 15. 7 of them of RBs. Basically 50% of the leaders in YAC are RBs. Which is what I have stressed since the day we drafted Bryce. What we need is someone like Buffalo has. Shakir is #3 in the NFL. That's a slot/YAC guy. if Bryce Young is your QB, you need people that can do something with a checkdown pass. I don't like the marriages under Tepper. Never have. Nothing ever fits a real vision IMO. Started with Rhule. Random parts put together. That's David Tepper. That's been his way. You want Bryce? Fine. Get him the YAC players and scheme. We have never done that. Want a Canales? Cool. Get him a chunkball gambler for his O. Get him a QB that fits that.

are you attempting to argue that AT is a YAC WR in the NFL.....because he caught some balls against the 30th ranked pass O? That's not what YAC and run after the catch is. AT is a savvy route running with great hands. He is going to catch balls if you highlight him. But it's basically throwing to a TE. TEs catch balls. AT probably had at most 10 yards YAC this weekend. The design of the O isn't even about that. It's why Bryce's throws are so often with the WR running toward a boundary. It also makes them safer throws. Designed for a miss to be out of play.

I think the main problem remains the Panthers have failed with their big picture. If you are going to play a QB like Bryce Young (which isn't my preference).....you have to build a team and have a vision that works for it. Which means receiving RB, slot WR......have a different priority than in some other offenses. Because you need a lot of explosive plays to morph out of the small ball he plays. He also needs a scheme/playcalling that fits it. Our talent doesn't match the QB nor does the playcaller IMO. That's been my stance basically since Bryce arrived.

AT is not a #1 in the NFL. I mean, if he is....your pass attack is going to be one of the least threatening in the NFL. AT on a well built team is a savy roleplayer you take advantage of on passing downs.

I mean, Bryce doesn't offer it. It has to come from those around him. From the day we drafted him I have held the same stance, you got to have an explosive slot WR and an explosive pass catcher in the the backfield to make this Bryce thing work. AT is basically a reliable small TE dominating the slot reps. And while that means AT has impressive numbers to an extent.....the O is not going to be threatening given how Bryce plays. We probably need a new OC if Bryce is your guy because at heart everything Canales has been around has been dependent on a QB that will throw the vertical balls. Which shapes the O and how the D plays it. That will never be Bryce. We have the 31st ranked O and the 31st ranked pass O. That's the Young/AT Panthers. But let's triple down on being the most non-threatening pass attack in the NFL.

Oh, I have seen bonehead Sam this year get lucky. That hasn't been completely erased. He is still clearly inside fighting to show himself to the world. Luck matters too. The ball certainly has bounced Sam's way often this year and the masses probably think he is better than he is right now.

Baker will be Baker. The pros and cons of a gambling gunslinger. Sam Darnold will go as Justin Jefferson goes. Not sure there is really a corner in the present day NFL that can actually take out anyone.

he is a savy small TE w/ great hands. While I get his pros on a team that lacks any real consistency......AT dominating the slot lowers the ceiling of a Bryce Young O in terms of explosive play potential. Because Bryce Young is going to need explosive plays to come from the slot and backfield.

I feel like the Jets, Browns and Panthers all share something in common and.....and that's the real story. And it isn't Sam and Mayfield played between the 3.