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Sure, but even that is vague and subjective. Because there definition is vague and subjective. So I assume they are counting games where a 50/50 jump ball that falls complete is a big time throw. because that best deep passer week 12 is just sort silly in the grand scheme. He went 2 of 7. So they have to count those passer which create sort of a bull argument

What's the cherry pick you are using though? Because it's not just post benching. and that's where my issue is, if you are using a tiny cherry pick of post benching vs his peers afforded no cherry picking at all on the year......well, then it just a bunch of fun to be had. I mean, I'm not really looking to keep this one going. My point isn't to bash Bryce. But he was just about as average as it gets the overwhelming majority of his post benching play in reality. Which was a HUGE leap for him and worthy for us to be excited about. The final 2 games of the season where a great ending that he hopefully care momentum forward in. But that's not a big enough resume where anyone outside a segment of the Panther fanbase would by top 10 play of.

first rule they would teach any proper GM in GM School is if the Steelers are trying to trade you a WR.....you tell them no thank you and block the number.

Screen starts black. Fades to David Tepper sitting in a chair in an empty room. He reads the 17 opponents in order in 30 seconds. Fades to black. And that will be the best thing David Tepper has ever done here.

I think you need a big arm to make certain throws to the perimeter. Deep is DNA, timing and placement.

The entertainment of disagreeing over nonsense we barely know about has been basically the only perk of being a Panthers fan the last decade

My prediction is at some point this season the masses go from calling me a BY hater to a BY defender…..when the over the top crowd swings to hard the other way when he isn’t what they are selling. I think expecting top 10 numbers from Bryce in what is really a sophomore season in my eyes….is setting up for disappointment.

Teddy Bridgewater was a check down QB….saying that doesn’t mean that he literally can’t and won’t throw downfield in a season. Bryce Young was never drafted to be big armed downfield passer. I don’t get those out defending him when it’s pointed out that he just isn’t that. And finding a game or two where he goes downfield doesn’t change much. Because all QBs eventually go downfield. Just like a Delhomme or Favre will play it safe in some random games. Doesn’t mean they aren’t gunslingers that got gambling in their DNA.

I don’t think being anti-Bryce was really a top 10 QB and great deep passer by years end …..is giving the rest of the league too much credit. People just running way too far with his improvement. Which was massive by year end. But that’s because of how bad he was…not because he was playing like a top tier QB

Sure, but I have long acknowledged he got better. He went from horrific to mid-lower end starter. But now you can’t say that…..you got people wanting to spin top 10 play if you look at it this way, great deep ball passer if you only acknowledge x. I mean the headline in that article is nice for fans to run with. But in reality Bryce Young was not the best deep passer in week 12. Far from it. He went 2 of 7 with no TDs deep. The week was full of guy who went something along the lines of 3 of 4 with a bomb TD. So Bryce then gets appointed best deep passer for say….plays like a 50/50 jump ball while trailing late to a fully covered AT that goes incomplete but could have been something given how the defender played it….not an actual good play. But that could have been a good play. I mean, same play could have been a pick if everything else was the same and the defender who had AT blanketed played the ball better (nothing changes for Bryce in terms of what he did. It’s just a 50/50ish ball to someone covered)….and his entire best deep passer week 12 is built off plays that never happened over guys that actually got it done. we should be happy Bryce went from shouldn’t of been drafted play to serviceable starter last year. But all this spin that he is somehow actually sneaky great just ain’t something I’m doing yet

Clearly, I was referencing the “or into tight windows” aspect of their stat and why it’s muddy what they are even including. Because again, that’s our pass attack at large. WRs that ain’t open much. I think people have drastically oversold the deep ball last year. They were rare. Did he hit some? Absolutely. The fact teams showed it no respect helped. The Panthers overall were factually one of the least threatening teams downfield under Bryce.

Based on their definition, basically 90% of well placed balls to Adam Theilen would count as a big time throws. Because all those are tight windows. That’s where I think the definition is muddy in terms of what they do and don’t count. Probably would help figure it out if we had a game and the number of throws they award him to get an idea of what does and doesn’t count a pass with high difficulty and value, often characterized by excellent ball location and timing, typically thrown further downfield or into a tighter window

So you can explain how he was top 10....but won't. We need to look it up ourselves? I googled it. Can't find the argument based on stats and facts.

Well, I think Nike has it all down to a sweet mathematical science to max revenue of what they average person will buy in terms of price....and what the average person will do with a dirty jersey. Then they construct them accordingly. and yeah, it's not about being tackled in them but I'm sure Nike knows exactly how each tier will react to washings...and then sunlight, heat, fading and on and on. Just asking google about it there are tons of tiktoks, you tubes, reddit posts, etc with folks complaining about what a simple wash can do to a new one. Your washing machine gets cooler tech....so you pay more now and it doesn't last as long . My son's football cleats that help max speed got a hole in them before they even made it into the season this past year. Now our football jersey's are lightweight with new mesh because it's totally better.....the end game is always because the big corporations have found the synergy between new and improved and not lasting as long. That's my take. I think everything is made to wear out sooner under the guise of but it's better today.

yeah, but the actual jersey Bryce Young is wearing is not the same jersey you are buying from Fanatics. it's why the fine print on even the highest tier jersey you can buy.....is very specific. And they use words like inspired, closest to, better than lower variants.

my understanding is a big time throw, could be a 5-10 yard slant to Adam Thielen given AT isn't going to separate.

93% of his pass attempts last year are post benching to final game (starting with Denver).

or....their job is to sell as many jersey's as humanly possible. Which mean like products all over the map.....they are designed to intentionally have a shorten shelf life....so that you have to buy more. They don't want you to buy a jersey someone's rookie season and it last for their career. They need you to comeback and buy it again.

It's a really just a weird anomaly of a stat IMO For example, Bryce essentially had the worst on target % in the NFL last year. That stat wouldn't lead you to believe that was also true. He throws shorter than almost the entire league on average. He naturally plays a more risk adverse brand of football. So despite bringing heaviest % of off target throws to anyone on that graph.....they aren't all that aggressive and he is missing into the sideline for example often, thus....aren't deemed "turnover worthy". Which is fine. It's smart football for us. But it's also why the ceiling of everything is just so low.

that's the element of surprise for you. A good playcall. GB clearly not playing such a call in any fashion.

I'd love to see the cherry pick that has Bryce Young as a top 10 QB. But I mean, if you are going to cherry pick it down to 3 games......then he isn't going to compare to the others if you were to afford them the same cherry pick logic. His best vs their best is still going to be.....miles apart. but that's the Bryce Young game at this point. And if you got to erase 85% of someone's play to make the argument.......that's not a good argument. I don't see the real gripe to be honest. I just think he has a low ceiling. I'm not advocating to bench him, get rid of him, or anything. In fact, I said, I think he can be a serviceable starter. He just doesn't have the tools IMO nor has shown enough to IMO to believe he can be much more than that at this level. Therefore, he isn't a big picture solution.

well, if you compare him vs his peers based on facts and stats......that would favor my side of things vs yours. Would it not? because again, even when you uniquely cherry pick Bryce down to only games folks want to acknowledge (which means ruling out most of his NFL career).......where does that leave him?

I expect Bryce to probably regress a little the first half of the year vs where he left off and then improve some (he is young, I consider last year his rookie year in large part, and folks will study that film hard). I think he will be a serviceable starter. Low end of the middle of the pack. So like 20ish range in terms of starters.

the QB sneak isn't my hill. Best 4th and 1 play (push tush excluded) IMO is a Cam or Lamar direct snap not under C, not a sneak. Which means you can't sell out completely in the gaps. Because they can take it anywhere, or over the top, or pass. But that's for running QBs. if random textbook QB (Stafford, Lawrence, whoever) is my QB.....I don't love the QB sneak. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned.

you want me to provide evidence of his jump balls? Or bailing the pocket? I don't think either of those claims requires me to show you evidence. What do you want evidence of exactly? never did I mention downfield throws. I said, he gets blind to play at the lines because of his size (the quick stuff). There are literally plays I don't have time to search for but have been highlighted on QB school where there is just no way he can see the options on certain plays even if wide open (talking behind and around the line of scrimmage). Line too close paired with the receiving option too close. And the stat I referenced (which you can find on next gen stats) was he is below average at and behind the line of scrimmage....which I'm sure his size/vision plays a role in the why. I have an agenda? Cool. Then so do you. and again, Bryce's cherry picked best play (which isn't how anything works).....still leaves him on the low end of production. I'm not overly bashing Bryce. I just acknowledge, most signs point to him having a low ceiling. And in the big picture, that's not the direction you want to go. He is our QB for now. I hope he improves. Which in turn would allow our O and others to develop. But to me, there isn't much of an argument that Bryce Young is anything but short term solution.