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Notre Dame might be a sneaky #1 despite us being the professional version of the Gamecocks .You gonna get under the radar folks like JJ Jansen. I think the mystery is the 4th school. Bama seems obvious for the 3rd. I'll go Auburn

clearly, not. Because Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes also have a long career history and that big picture influences the small picture greatly. What does Bryce's big picture tell you about being hidden in games. Would that be normal strategy Dave implements in large parts of games? Have we seen his current coach implement that strategy? The answer is yes. We are factually talking about the worst starting QB in the NFL since 2023 here. You seem to forget and now you want to utter about HOFers lol folks trying way to hard here.

I can do it again, Bryce Young didn’t complete a single downfield pass more than 10 yards on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down for an entire game. Canales took 2 huge gambles on 4th down that worked out tremendously. And these exact same type gambles have been blasted by the board this entire season as bad playcalls when they didn’t work out. Great and dumb ain’t that far apart. the viewpoint of great QB play is skewed. Or outlook and view of a QB in general. There is a criteria used for 31 other teams and a very unique version that only applies to Bryce. As others have said this week, the Jaguars pass game and Trevor can be deemed as horrible….and Bryce/Carolina somehow “good” lol.

Yeah, I mean if you watched the game he was. Dude had 2 throws over 10 yards downfield and he was completely hidden. There were 2 schizophrenic 4th down playcalls. If you didn’t catch those 2 passes and watched her rest of the game. the fine line between dumb and stupid playcalls….is often just the result. Bryce misses just one of the 4th down calls and the narrative for Bryce and Canales is an entire 180.

Awards go out before the Super Bowl too I think. We should have gone after Vrabel. The ultimate Tepper flaw IMO is the personality types he wants working for him

I think the move makes sense. Theilen just wants to play to finish this last one out. His wife and family are bacK home. Rodgers just wants a human that will run correct routes. Steelers in a dead heat for the division. Makes sense. Throw him in the slot and let him play some TE style ball like he did here. It’s low ceiling but Rodgers willl likely make use of it

I mean, it’s Vrabel and not close IMO. Ben Johnson at #2. But yeah, if you want to recognize other HCs that aren’t going to win but deserve a head nod….Canales deserves one for this schizophrenic semi success.

His best weapon was sort of weird too. Harbor isn’t really QB friendly yet. He is big and fast and probably equally raw to Sellars. I think Sellars could leave and have sort of a Jalen Hurts uptick and improvement when he left Bama

I think both. And some of his stock rise from the year prior wasn’t really off good QB play. Clemson game is an example. Huge win. Last minute win. Sellars couldn’t complete a pass hardly that entire game though. He was just kept shrugging off could have been sacks and turning them into huge runs vs a team that couldn’t tackle at the end of the season. Great athlete.

simple math is fine. Put the bad games in a list. put the good games in a list. Anything you want to debate, just throw those games to the side. Let the good and bad list do the talking.

Drake Maye is 11-2 and leads the NFL in passing yards, completion % and is in the battle for TDs. (he doesn't have a single game under 200). On pace for 4400 which would have put him right outside the top 5 in 2019. A good game here or there and he would be top 5 back then. now they get an extra game now but the dude is airing it out......but you can only do so much when you win.

Rex Grossman led the Bears to the Super Bowl! He deserves the same credit for all those wins as that top 5 D, HOF Devin Hester lead special teams and rush attack! They definitely didn't get there in spite of a QB that had (check notes)....the 43rd best completion % in the NFL that year and top 3 in turnovers. you just can't take credit away from Rex like that. In spite of? Dude had GWDs.

as the board is inspired by Matt Rhule these days and want to take the 7 year approach with Bryce/Canales.... please note, the best record in the AFC and NFC.....are held by year 1st year coaches paired w/ QBs drafted after Bryce Young.

I think the worst starting QB in the NFL over the last 3 years is starting today......because the folks with egg all over there face have tripled down on not having the worst pick in NFL history associated w/ their resume. yeah, I don't think the folks in charge think like me. That's not like a thing I suggest. People didn't like me blasting the Frank/Bryce pairing before that week 1 kicked off. Our front office gets the simple wrong. Bryce is a round peg in a square peg org. We had those talks back when you defended Fitterer lol. *on an actual sincere side note, I'm glad you are back and over whatever hurdles came your way...so that we can argue again. We never see eye to eye and that's an ok thing.

Oh, I think Hubbard's patience developed the years prior. Probably when the OL wasn't as good. Rico comes in and just sees holes. Hits them hard.

again, I missed everyone here crediting Mike Remmers for helping us get to the Super Bowl. Bump those kudos for me. We are going to improve our weak spots? there are literally people arguing we should pick up Bryce's 5th year and he should be the starter next year. I'm not arguing people in Carolina are going to think like me. The people in Carolina have done idiotic building for years now. Which I have been very vocal about the entire Tepper era. I would like for them to stop being stupid.....and this is literally the place you would voice such. I yearn for a rude awakening. It's literally what I am lobbying for. To match a coach/scheme and QB that fit together for the first time in 4 years.

Teams can win in spite of bad offense. In spite of bad defense. In spite of bad ST. In spite of being weak at corner. In spite of weak WRs. In spite of weak QB play. like I said, what is taking place is the unique cherry pick where some fans say we can't state the obvious reality about the QB spot. But look at Atlanta! But look at these 3 throws in this game he was treated as a backup for every single other snap! Exceptions don't make the rule or change the big picture. I have seen lots of your post, I don't recall you rushing to Philly Brown's defense when it was just matter of fact stated Cam Newton won NFL MVP/went to the Super Bowl despite a weak WR cast. The entire board universally agreed the weak link to that roster was what it was. I would reckon if I searched hard enough, I could find you making the same matter of statement that teams do in fact win in spite of very clear weaknesses.

I don't disagree. Hubbard got often too patient. Wonder of he adjusted because he did hit some holes much more like Rico does Sunday.

I still think in the grand scheme, it's better to let either Hubbard or Rico operate in the lead position. Both are just flat out best with volume. I think the 50/50 split over the course of an extended window limits how good the rush can be any given Sunday.

it's 2025 and Bryce is the #1 overall. a 3rd year player that is supposed to lift those around him. There is no huge development curve in today's NFL. Offenses and throws are now simplistic. He has great OL play and a great rushing attack. And it's bottom tier production form him. It's just excuse making for a player that overwhelming lacks the tools you want in a NFL QB that doesn't do any of the things he was billed at. Drake Maye leads the NFL in passing yards. With a meh OL. A meh rush attack. One good WR yet problem child WR that is probably 4th on the team in getting into the endzone. Bryce Young is a literal anomaly in the NFL. We have seen for 3 years as to why .....yet the the gymnastics are never ending. We are winning in spite of him. Which is all the more reason a young and overachieving team should address such an issue.

I don't think it's discounting wins if you look at your team that manages to overachieve and point out what they are overcoming. People generally are cool w/ that mostly. It's basically cherry picked when you can and can't do it by fans. This season is really weird. It's not discounting wins to point out how weird it is and that there really isn't some formula we are executing each week. It's just a collection of sort of oddities. Some seasons you just have weirdly good or bad luck. It's in our favor this year. The hope is you get the good juju in a year you also happen to be a good football team.

Well, the care….is about having a weak pass attack in the modern NFL. Which we have. And being weak there is largely going to make you overall irrelevant outside of some quirky season.

the Panthers have played from behind the majority of the season boss. A the half and going into the 4th. we have a weak pass attack because we have a weak QB

2022 - Panthers are 1-5 - HC was fired the week prior - 3 days before the game CMC is traded to the 49ers. Full #1 overall tank mode in affect - PJ Walker is the starting QB and we are playing Tom Brady and the Bucs. So, obviously, we beat them by 17