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First 4 - 122 rushing yards per game allowed Last 2 - 25 per game allowed. I mean, to me at least, that is drastically different. That's almost 100 yards difference on the ground per game. I mean, Penix just sabotaged Atlanta. That's football. They ran for 130 despite not even getting a chance to get into their run game thanks to Penix. Jags went for 200. Every team the first 4 weeks went over 100+ except AZ and AZ had more than both the last 2 weeks combined in that game. D is clearly better than last year. But within this season, the last 2 weeks, have really just been sort of wonky. We aren't what the last 2 weeks says on the ground offensively or defensively. No team in NFL history is what we statistically did the last 2 weeks.

True, Bryce having a weaker arm wouldn’t be a big deal if it was paired with… Great accuracy, ball placement, etc. But it’s not. Bryce has consistently done 2 things all 3 seasons. One of the lowest completion % in the NFL each year, one of the highest bad throws % in the NFL. Then you can get into his unwillingness to stress a D and how that has allowed safeties and DBs to cheat coverage making the small ball so many QBs enjoy a tougher task.

Wut? 2023 - worst in the NFL 2024 - 2nd worst in the NFL 2025 - 6th worst in the NFL that cements him as having the highest bad throw % in the NFL since arriving in 2023 in what world is that not consistently high? And the last 2 games are doing a lot of work

Constantly going to the but his weapons aren’t good enough argument….is conceding he isn’t what we claimed/thought he was. Entire argument and rationale for the pick is he would be a highly efficient point guard QB that doesn’t need great weapons and the resources could go elsewhere. and Bryce Young has one of the worst comp % this year…..with a very good OL, very good backfield and decent weapons. It’s Bryce. He is consistent. Low comp %. Super high bad throw %. Everything changes. He is largely the same.

I get it, but you then choose to compare that to other QBs…who largely attack the pass game vastly different than Bryce. So you got to talk beyond the stat while having the convo. Bryce should have a high completion % given the way he attacks field vs how a young Cam did or a Jake. Always going to the but the talent! ….does’t work at this point. Bryce’s is very low and his bad throw % is also crazy high Bryce shouldn’t be a 60% QB and he should have low turnover % given he isn’t aggressively attacking downfield and doesn’t generate a lot of production. Bryce if he plays his style of ball well would have a very high comp% and low turnovers (that’s what he is supposed to be and isn’t). Gunslingers, big play guys….should have a lower comp % and more turnovers than Bryce.

I’d like to see the numbers after the first 4 and how much influence the last 2 games is having on that. because the first 4 games and the last 2 really don’t seem to be the same team.

Yeah, it is. But the last 2 weeks are so far removed from the opening 4……it’s hard to really know what we are this year. last 2 weeks our rush D has allowed an average of 25 rushing yards. We got a RB averaging 200+ total yards with that. So what are we right now? I don’t know. Realistically, I don’t think we have the type D the last 2 weeks would suggest nor our rush attack. could just be 2 really weird games and we are largely more like the team that showed up the first 4

there is a 100 mile long list of NFL players and coaches going to bat and defending horrible play from teammates.

I mean, I don’t have to explain Brett Favre and Teddy Bridgewater were doing drastically different things with the football. If someone doesn’t want to acknowledge that, no one convince them to see it Same with Bryce and basically every QB you named. Bryce and Cam Newton flat out shouldn't be judged by just cherry picking a random stat. Convo is broader. They played the position nothing alike. You can also take completion % as another example. Bryce’s should be drastically higher than a Cam in terms of completion % because of how they go about the pass game (pre injury Cam). every QB you named was aggressive with the ball (we ain’t talking ancient Brees here). Bryce isn’t. Not pulling numbers if you refuse to accept basics.

Those QBs were also playing much more aggressive and accounting for more offensive production. Thats got to be part of a turnover convo. Brett Favre having 15 INTs and Bridgewater having 15 INTs aren’t going to represent the same in reality

last 2 weeks really make things hard to sort of figure out what we got going on this year. In terms of what the D really is and isn't and probably the same for the run game.

yep. Rico Dowdle extended Bryce Young's audition. If not for Rico......and the next game being Dallas? You got to think Tepper/Canales shelf him again like last year if Rico didn't flip that game on it's head. That's how that was reading.

I mean, there is what I think. Then there is what I think the Panthers think. and I think the Panthers have consistently shown that their thinking and decision-making in the Tepper era at the QB spot is what they are worst at. We are keeping Cam. No, Cam is gone. Teddy is here. We have a plan. Forget that plan, Teddy insulted us. We have Sam. I mean, we have Baker. I mean, we sold the farm for the #1 overall pick and we will figure out who we want. Bryce is the guy. 2 games into year 2, the Bryce ride is over. Wait a minute, we had to bring him back and now we are going to give him a year 3.

I don't think premium paid matters at this stage. Think the rest of league has established that. We have seen top 10 QBs moved on from after just 1 year. We have seen massive trade's at at the top moved on from too. Teams can't afford to waste time. I mean, it's not all just Bryce in a vacuum. Biggest issue is the front office in this equation. Maybe he would be less of an issue to move on from if they prioritized their QB roster and it would have already sort of taken care of itself.....if they added young QBs and real competition for the spot. we are sort of unique in how how competition-less our roster is given how iffy the #1 spot was going into this season and last. Sort of why they tried to move on from him last year and couldn't pull it off.

PJ Walker is the only QB in the Tepper era the Panthers managed to find wins with. Only QB w/ a winning record. PJ had success in pro ball before the Panthers. He he had NFL tools. He just is inconsistent and unreliable. PJ Walker is what you call a bad/poor man's gunslinger. He can provide highs and lows both virtually guaranteed. He is NFL depth. Bryce Young hasn't proven to improve a teams chances of winning better than the PJ Walker tier of QBing. PJ Walker can do things Bryce Young can't......and that's a problem

It's hard to say the QB position in overvalued.....when you look at the night and day difference of a football team when Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow suddenly can't suit up for their team. Ravens magically went from averaging 32 points per game to 6 points per game. I mean, it takes at team to win games. But there is no more impactful position in the NFL than QB. A really great QB to a below average QB creates wild swings in football.

I'm sure the Bryce fanboys deem me co chair of the haters club. But I was once a champion for Bryce and argued the Panthers were setting him up to fail (and the all star staff Frank Reich crew came for me then) lol. I supported the org going all in on Bryce and a Bryce offense. They opted not to do that and I merely accepted that reality.

hell, the huddle literally attacked, insulted, and ran Dan Morgan (a real live Panther trying to be involved) away back in the day (who was nothing but awesome here). But some say those were the glory days and it's bad here because there is in-depth and persistent criticisms about Bryce Young's physical tools, ball placement, and throws and lack of production/success (and through all that, Bryce Young the human being is almost literally never attacked).

I will die on that hill more so than Bryce Young being bad. and in reality, given how unproductive the Bryce Panthers have been, the chances he has gotten, the cost, etc of Bryce Young? Bryce really doesn't even get it that bad. Wish we had access to old Clausen threads. Tommy Jone Jake threads. Heck, Matt Moore threads. The huddle isn't worse today. The Tepper biggest difference is.....the Panthers just have never given us a break from the losing. So there is no swing.

I bet if Teddy was still here today.....how much you disliked bringing him in would be talked about more and differently. the years stack. Unless the Panthers actually start trending the other direction.....talk will remain trending in the direction it has been IMO. This is the worst window in our history and the board is going to reflect that (which IMO is normal for fan site). The real issue should be with the guy in my avatar.

it's pretty simple IMO. The Tepper Panthers are the most unsuccessful professional sports team in all of sports. The problem isn't the posters here have changed ( I still content people falsely romanticize the old days). The product dictates the atmosphere more than anything. In reality, the daily convos about THE worst team in all of pro sports on a fanatics site....is going to feature harsh and critical convo. Only one entity can actually change that. It's the Carolina Panthers football team. if you are the most unsuccessful professional sports teams (Tepper's Panthers are that).....and a place like this isn't filled with very critical thoughts? Well, you probably don't actually have a real fanbase IMO.

if you believe he is watching every NFL game.....every week.....go right ahead. I get it, he said something you like. But that's like believing the talking heads on the ESPN shows are watching all the games. You think Stephen A is watching the Panthers every Sunday too? If Stephen A needs to go on First Take he certainly can pretend like he has watched every snap any player on the roster has taken lol. No one is that isn't a Panther fan has been watching the 9-25 career go down every Sunday. Or even a lot of Sunday's. You know who knows more about Bryce Young than Long? The collective huddle. What they are reviewing is stat sheets, highlights and in summaries. It's an old formula lol.

Yeah, you can pick out 11 games from Bryce’s rookie season….where he accounted for just 3 total TDs. Hmmm….pretty sure that’s most definitely was Jimmy-esque. It was historically bad QB play from Bryce. Like I said, he would have been gone after his rookie season if he cost a 2nd round pick. No second season. Bringing up Cam and Jake is the wild part. Bryce isn’t better than PJ freaking Walker

Double check Bryce’s rookie season. Bryce is more comparable to Pickles than Jake or Cam. Continuing to bring up Cam and Jake is wild. Bryce would have already been gone if he cost a second round pick. That’s a fact. He essentially was after 2 games into year 2 but the FO fugged it up

Delhomme also played in an era where defenders could maul his WRs. And Delhomme was a gunslinger. Which means you get the mix of BIG plays and costly plays with that. Bryce still gives you the costly plays WITHOUT being a gunslinger….which is why he isn’t Jake