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Dude can't conjure up 400 yards (or 23.5 a game)...

Yeah on the skill side it's obvious in the differences in ability. He even has a good 20 to 15 lbs on Bryce by the eye test. He was also the first 5'10" QB drafted in the 1st since the 60s. I don't think there is a way to quantify how Byce matches up skill wise to other 1st round QBs but it looks towards the bottom.

Every year. This guy is going to be 34 and still getting the 'it's his year' articles while making this roster. It's a litmus test for what's to come IMO.

5'10" is the bottom of the scale for sure but not an anomaly at this point. Murray reset the standards for a 5'10" QB being drafted in the 1st (by 1" from a SB winning QB not taken in the 1st) so it's more of a standard deviation at this point. I have no idea on the weight stuff because it's all so fudged and is not really what is limiting him at this time vs the height/arm/legs combo. IDK, I don't see enough with Bryce to call him an anomaly. He just looks like he was built to fail in the NFL. Even high QB picks busting isn't abnormal.

Being not good enough isn't unique or an anomaly. Cam and Jackson are unique. Murray and Tua are anomalies, good enough with their talent to stick around but not coming close to a SB regardless of the talent levels around them. They have no decent option B this year again. If he craters then having what they are asking him to do at the minimum would be great. It wouldn't save the season but they could at least build something basic around the other guys. Hell maybe some players could improve in that situation.

The big part that showed up in the Rhule years was losing more talent than they brought in. The drafting has been bad and they keep sending talent away, sometimes justified and sometime not. That is the main issue on talent IMO witht he Panthers since 2019. Adding wasted years with sub-Baker/Menshew play is only increasing the talent gap in a bad way. I have to disagree from every angle except taking shots early in the draft until they have a franchise QB.

If Young is near as bad as last year then it's 2 wasted years then it's mighty hard to build up the team around that. If Young was in the Baker/Menshaw (cheap until one has a Baker '23 year but lol to paying that longterm) category we wouldn't need another QB this year but that is a really big step up for him after seeing what he looks like in the NFL. They went into last year with the #1 pick who turned out to be a longshot project so brining in a guy to at least help the rest of the team improve in the worst case scenario then that would have been a big win this year. I'm not sure Dalton could finish an 8 game stretch and if Bryce looks close to last year then he shouldn't make it past week 6 as the starter. I just think that the entire idea that they will suddenly turn on the 'winning mentality' when they do get a decent QB is a longshot if they can't do more without one now. Last year and this year they are going all in on Bryce and in year 2 that is just stupid IMO given what we saw last year. I couldn't trust any of these people with another #1 pick due to their approach to this year. If we were talking a crew that would get replaced at the end of the year then sure, clean sweep. But these people just got hired so it's hard to get excited about next year if they fug this year up that hard. It's not just a QB they need, they need good people running the team and it doesn't look like they have found those either yet. We had a Cam but not a coach that would be willing to win in a way he didn't like. That is what cost us a SB in '15. The QB is a huge part but the rest doesn't look much better either.

At some point we all need to admit just having the #1 pick isn't enough. They also need the ability to take the best QB and not the hyped media darling...something teams picking high usially have trouble with. 2 years in a row and the #1 QB has some serious doubts about their hype. I wouldn't have much belief with the current crew either after the last draft. 6-9 isn't picking too far anyways, it's close to if not a top 10 pick. Having built up some mediocrity would sure help a rookie vs the gutted mess the roster looks like today. If Young bust then it's likely another wasted year for the guys depending on him for their development. That's an angle that is too easy to miss.

I'm sure some do but then why would we hear about it if it was true? I gave the examples of Bezos' and Gates' exes. They both are giving chunks away and living beyond comfortably. They also were not the driving factor in that wealth being made (not to make light of any contributions they made in those mirages because I literally don't want to know the deets).

Except I never said anyone would complain less. Thielen sat down for an interview at a very unfortunate time. I get he is just doing his professional thing but there is a lot of crap being tossed and it looks like he is catching it. Thielen doing an interview just brings it up again. People are complaining because the team is bad and the PR is a target for personal fun or relief or anything else people want to dump into the Panther shaped hole in reality that is this place.

Did you not read the post before mine? Cynicism being well earned. No I didn't listen to it or any of the other fluff. I also wasn't speaking about this specific link since I never referenced Thielen or the article in my post. The fact a WR from this team went and sat down, I presume, for an interview is Panther related and looks to be getting plenty of spillover from what I was talking about. So much so that on the first page it was being discussed about everyone 'should say absolutely nothing' which would encompass Thielen's interview individually and the Panther's organization in general. And even how absurd it is to 'shut down the Panther's PR/Marketing department' on page two even though as you state it was obviously not a direct PR department product. So maybe take your own advice next time? IDGAF about the article and wasn't commenting on it which I thought was obvious by not referencing it in any direct way.

Maybe talk more about Brown or the usual long shot to make the roster fluff? After last year's massive PR bungles focusing on Young as little as possible would be a mercy to everyone. I get there isn't a lot to positive to focus on until they start winning games, or not, but that's kind of the point of the people who see that department as a endless crap pump. Making fun of what they usually put out is way too easy and it's about the only entertainment they are providing anymore until something actually changes.

When you can buy about anything and have done about everything what's left but an endless ego trip?

They have never even had back to back winning season even with Cam so what do you expect? It's all about the winning. The Ravens have had winning seasons the last 6 of 7 years and actually won a SB. Seattle has won 11 of their last 12 seasons and a SB. Interesting enough neither have had 6 losing seasons in a row. I'm not sure it will ever be the loudest crowd but you are also forgetting the environment JR fed for years up to the Cam years. Tepper is terrible and done little past a VR panther but JR threw a very bland game day experience. I was in Tampa last year and they made the entire game entertaining for the fans even if the teams were not good most of the game. Blaming the fans for a poor product when it's never been good enough long enough is just BS.

They won 15 games that season. Fans were going crazy as the year progressed. Cam just fed the crowds like he always did. I went to every playoff game that year and you are absolutely wrong. Win and fans come out of the woodwork to get wild. Crap take. 6years of losing and a 7th loaded up is the fan problem in that stadium. Pre-Cam was the wine and cheese crowd but they hated the winning crowd. Too loud and they stand too much. Winning changed those dynamics as quickly as losing did afterwards.

The city people will pass it and then get voted out hopefully, i doubt they will back down with how it's alligned currently. Tepper deserves elected officials being petty with him and using him as the springboard to get elected in the next cycle. Knowing Tepper he will fug up his side of the deal somehow and make an epic poo show with the other side out for blood. Sounds fun, glad I don't live anywhere near Charlotte.

I think you are under valuing the catching and blocking. Ickey was a project due to his pass blocking needing a lot of work and he went in the top 10. Being a project isn't bad in itself. It's just going to take some time after he heals. Therefor a luxury pick who is a bit of a project, needing work. He isn't close to a starter when healthy. At least he doesn't look like one to me yet.

My take was don't try and overcompensate for a bad pick/situation. Two wrongs don't make a right. That would have been a perfect time to bring in a Moore type receiver and say 'Cam you are a beast but you need to work on your throwing mechanics'. Unfortunately by the time all of that happened it was games away from disaster and too many wasted years.

But we can't judge until they hit the field. /s Not all but yeah there is some judgement. The Not For Long league loves the long build while ignoring the current season. It will be entertaining. And the bit about the HC not caring that the WR is limited was reminiscent of DG talking about KB/DF and how they just needed a big guy for those high balls.

The irony of your take on a football forum is hilarious. I comprehend exactly what you are.

Yes because nothing happens in the offseason. What a masterful take. Thankfully all the football stuff happens from September to February. Wait didn't they just have something recently? Even an Injury and some contract drama? Nope, couldn't be. There is nothing happening at this time of year according to you.

Look into that industry. And you also don't have to pick up the phone. 7 years and most debt is uncolectable as long as you never talk to the collectors. The collectors have so many illegal practices that an entire sub category of lawyers specialize is sueing debt collectors. It's a lot. To make billions in that industry makes it a lock. It's not an emotional statement. In the end the money doesn't care and neither does he. There are people that make a lot, millions upon millions, and then there are billionaires. If they didn't win the big loto chances are to make it to that level takes a certain kind of personality. The what they did to get there does matter. All of this is also documented if you want to take thr time to Google it. The credit industry is interesting and is very predatory.

It just sounds like you understand how that industry works on the surface and very little else. To become a billionaire in that field absolutley makes him a scumbag. It's why the NFL didn't like him. The litigious nature of their industry from their common practices is know if you care to learn about it. The NFL new and it was enough for them to force it to Tepper even though he had a higher bid I believe.