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That is both sad and depressing yet expected. Next year is also when I will be walking away from my PSLs and I suspect others will be doing the same. 24 is going to be terrible but funny for any non-Panthers fans. Tepper could hire a decent GM and give him a year to set up for 25 (scout HCs, evaluate players on the roster, start fixing what Fritz fugged up) but he won't because he is absolutely a loser in the NFL.

Well they can draft about as well as they trade so maybe they need new people who aren't terrible at most everything they do first? It's just going to be more waste until that part is fixed first. They have already made next season depressing already so keep digging that hole as whost team in the NFL I guess.

They have been held back by their QBs for a while now. Anyone not expecting a big step back going from Ryans to Wilks is probably surprised by this. Wilks will be the scapegoat this season and they will swing for another QB again.

Back in the day it was a place blue-collar players that wanted a family friendly environment liked. At least that was the image projected which actually appeared that way but with JR I always have to look back and wonder. If you are very wealthy and young why would you want to hang around the Carolina unless you were from around here? And even then like just visit. NC's got plenty of upside but the vin diagram overlap for young/wealthy and those positives are sparse. Have fun in the move. That is a fun area even if they did nerf SF itself.

Not this year, that is an injured Burrow. Says he had a calf strain he reaggravated in week 2. You are literally comparing him to Burrow who is having his worst year with a lingering injury who is throwing 2.1 yards less on average this year compared to last year... Stat Link Burrow's rookie year was 6.7 ypa

It's a bad match of QB to Oline strengths. Still, Young needs to be pushed and stop the coddling. Either he can or can't. Throw down the field and do some non-shotgun stuff more often or it's going to keep failing either way. It would take years to rebuild everything to just a shotgun offense, guys like Moton and Ickey are wasted in that kind of offense.

Ohhh no a well run playoff team that probably won't win a SB. Sucks to be them... They could trade Allen to a Panthers like team and have a chance to pick 2 more QBs while still probably making the playoffs. Ohh the horror

Not much really. It would be fun to see him come in and bring balance to the playcalling but that would require putting Bryce in uncomfortable spots which seems to be part of the reason the offense stalled to date. With his background I would expect to see more and effective running but that is going to be tough in just shotgun without some down the field connections being made to stop the loading of the box. It just seems to be asking a lot of a guy who has done so little outside of RB coaching.

With the crew in charge doing more of the same? No idea. They know he has value but with what they are looking for there might not be any options. I don't see them planinng for the long-term and just taking draft capital unfortunately. Flip a coin? 50/50

This would be a desperation move. Then they get a overpriced WR and next is 'if we had OGs blah blah blah'. It also is a great example of how the roster was so poorly constructed since Tepper bought the team. Try coaching up the guys you have. If Brown doesn't come in and step up the run game while just doing more of the same then it won't matter whoever they could bring in. Get a cheaper backup OG and just run the ball better and maybe elevate that pass protect game to just sub-average and not turnstiles. Watching Tepper's ownership is like watching a 12 yo play Madden and go for it on every 4th down.

Or thinking things are going well or will turn a corner soon. This has been a very poorly run team for years so different fans overcompensate in different directions. I can't imagine Cleveland or Detroit fans could scrape much positive vibes together during their long years at the bottom. If they want to see more positive and less negative then the team is going to have to prove it's worth giving anything but more derision because that is absolutely what they have earned.

And running any formation that isn't shotgun

Their roster is so poorly built anyone is worth trading. The LT doesn't match the QBs needed system, make that most on the healthy oline. Burns is hidden in a 3-4 switch going meh. CBs are injury factories. The WRs are old or nonexistent. There are so many meh contracts and players it would be impossible to throw a shoe and not hit one when they are on the field. I would just target 2025 and trade anyone that can be moved for assets in 2025. Get a new GM/HC combo and let them do a trial run in 24 with a lot of prove it guys so we can keep and build on that because I don't see anything worth building on currently.

He is so blah at best. He is the type of player you trade before his first big contract and never look back. Now he is their reliable CB. Just lol. Friterer is such a loser.

Yeah he is an absolute moron an might be worse than even I thought.

They were a perineal playoff team with another option already on the team and then drafted a better QB with the last pick in the draft. All this comp says is we should just play Dalton and move on like they did while still being a poorly coached train wreck of a team? We are also set to give up a #1 in this draft, the 9th pick, a WR worth more than a 1st, 2 seconds and you believe 3 first and a 3rd for the #3 pick is more than that? (Hint look at where those picks were for the 49ers they traded away Link) We traded more and both look like terrible trades but the 49ers just made it a blip while the Panthers are the leagues laughing stock. On top of all of that we drafted a guy who matches poorly to the team they built or had.

That trade will make it impossible to ever see him reach the value it took to get him here even if he gets past Teddy level production in his play. This team is set up to draft another QB without needing to trade up in 2025 already. It's a chicken or egg scenario, is he good or is he being ruined? It doesn't matter because that trade started the snowball that already got out of hand. Moore looks good, Burns isn't worth a 1st maybe now yet we need a new Moore. They would have to hit on so many things in the draft ,free agency and trades that it's such a long shot even before you take into account that the people in charge absolutely couldn't pull it off because they have been failing miserably in those areas. Some fans are already talking 4 to 5 years for it to all come together... Young never had a chance here and he probably won't get a decent one until this team dumps him and he goes on a prove it deal with someone else. I have never like his play or been impressed with his work, here or before, but that doesn't change any of this. He is doomed here unless he get a miracle like a McDaniels and we look 2 years away from any meaningful change because the GM who made that trade is still employed and helping the Owner and all we have seen if the OC is calling plays for his first time ever (or close enough) at 0-6. On a side note, the Texas game will a great measuring stick for Bryce. Some of the stuff floating around here will either stick or fall away after that game.

No way anyone makes a trade when he will be available shortly.

I would take a 6th round pick and then spend it on a CB that is healthy over him at this point. Unfortunately he is the type of player that will be had on a prove it deal soon after being cut. They should have tried to trade him before the year for a 3rd or 4th given that they were already tied to Jackson who has even less value with that contract. Now it's probably a conditional pick later for Horn or being tied to 2 CBs you can not rely on. He won't see his 5th year option either way.

Do all of that and give that ammo to a new GM and HC combo to use to build the team in the right way, through good drafting. The only real deal killer is that Tepper would still fug it up by hiring more losers.

Adams was picked in the 2nd round at the 53rd pick... There are always WRs around in the draft, Fritterer just likes to draft ones that don't play well. Not too many people still wanting to see him employed here much longer. Get a new GM and let him build a real roster the right way and not more waste like this.

Take a 1st and draft poorly again or take a trade for WR who is too old and already unhappy so I'm sure he will just love being on the worst team in the NFL. Cool choices...

Give how this team is run that might be Tepper's next kind of big swing...

This team is only good at wasting. Players, picks, cap, time, effort in selling their BS propaganda and anything else you can think of. He is going to walk with zero back to the team. So much failure in so many ways and yet they just keep doing more.

With how he is playing it seems about fair and I don't know if his value improves or sinks further as the season drags on. I am more surprised he hasn't asked for a trade. He might be eying free agency in the offseason which would be really bad on the tag approach. Getting him gone now might be a cleaner approach vs the tag trade/keep scenario (lol but who knows with these people). I doubt they do a great job with him but I am interested in seeing what everyone chooses. This negotiation and situation since the Ram's offer has been a complete failure to date.