ForJimmy

Can I ask why? They seem very similar in experience and everything…

Damn you and your rational logic! (Kidding I like it). Yeah it’s mostly me just not liking Payton and not trusting him.

It's also different to me if these old coaches have been with their franchise for a while now. I couldn't picture any of them going to a new team and starting over for the long term. I am definitely assuming the worst in him because I don't like him or want him here. I don't think we have enough cap space to lure too much talent this year (unless we do restructuring and make things difficult down the road). I kind of like the idea of a young offensive minded HC paired with a rookie QB and then build around them.

Would you want to bring in Pete Carroll at 70 years old? Just wondering where your line is or if you have one. Trading away future assets for an older coach that has already won a Super Bowl just seems a little sort sighted to me. I just see him wanting to sign vets and go straight into win now mode and screw over the future. I don't see him developing a young rookie QB, he will probably want Carr or Jackson (trading away more future picks). If we were just signing one like Reich (similar age) to help turn our franchise around and build stability then for some reason it just sits better with me. It doesn't help that I am EXTREMELY bias on this because I hate Sean Payton.....

Now make it a 59 year old coach that has already won a Super Bowl and enjoyed a nice long career. There is nothing left to prove. He could retire in 2-3 years and be content.

I hope none of them sign him. Also if it gets down to one team it will be hard to pry away a first rounder for him.

Yet he is still there. It's also a lot less common for a 36 year old coach to retire and go to broadcasting than a 60 year old one.

Because at some point people want to retire. I just feel like he is at a point at his career where there is nothing left to prove. He could walk away in 2-3 years and go back to broadcasting with no issues. I mean he walked away from NO after their cap was jacked up and Brees retired.

We dodged the whole Deshaun Watson circus and now we are trying to trade for an old coach that was over bounty gate and coached our rivals. Signing Payton is bad enough, giving away a future 1st to do so is just pathetic. We have some weird obsession with rethreads....

Don't trade for a 59 year old coach who constantly choked in the playoffs. He won't hesitate to walk away and join broadcasting if things are looking bad. There is nothing for him to prove. I want one of these young OCs while keeping all of our picks.

Yeah I agree 100%. They need to be sold on him to draft him period, especially if they are throwing in future picks to acquire him.

Yeah teams don’t trade out of “sure things.” We inquired about Burrow but the Bengals said nope.

I get it, but if our staff thinks he is our franchise QB it's a gamble worth taking.

If we walk away with Stroud and Gibbs without giving away too much I will be very excited!

Yep, when the rules are catering to the passing game like they are now teams should definitely take advantage.

The problem is holding on to the good OC. If he looks great in one year then he will more than likely get some HC looks. See Eagles, Lions, Giants, and Bills OCs.

From 9 to 5 wouldn't mortgage our future. A future 1st would be the most it would require IMO. Maybe one of our 2nds plus next year's 2nd.

He chokes in the playoffs Plus he loves Taysum Hill….

lol right? But think about it, replace Zach Wilson with Lamar Jackson and that team will be a tough opponent.

His top 2 landing spots are ATL and NYJ from what I've seen. NYJ would be pretty scary with Jackson at QB....

It may have been one of the best things to happen to us in a while honestly. Think about it, Rhule would probably still be here because we would have been just sitting stagnate waiting on Watson to play this past season.

Yes little capital. It was the 137th pick and a future 3rd to move up to 94 to acquire him. Considering the positional value of QBs in the league that is very little draft capital. Third round QBs are not "traditional" starters. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/every_nfl_qb_picked_in_third_round_of_the_draft_in_the_21st_century/s1__37565457#slide_3 There is a list of recent 3rd round QBs. Mills started (but apparently should not have as they are correcting their mistakes and drafting one in the first), Brisset is a journeyman bridge QB, and Russ Wilson is the exception to the rule. None of the other ones amounted to much...

My point is he was simply using a saying that is thrown around in sports a lot to indicate a team is giving up a lot for a player. It's never literal. If it was literal then the Browns didn't do it either. They still have cap space and they still have draft picks. No one uses it in the literal sense because it is absurd in sports. You also have no clue what kind of contract we offered Watson either because it hasn't been disclosed. Carolina has leaked they wouldn't offer as much as Cleveland, but that was AFTER Watson picked the Browns. That is another thing you are leaving out. Watson has a no trade clause so he gets to decide where he wants to go no matter how many picks or much salary cap a team wants to throw away to acquire him. The decision was ultimately his.

Except when a player has a "no trade" clause like Watson does. He gets to pick where he goes no matter how much we try to trade away to acquire him.

Yeah I think my point is (like Greg Olsen) you can acquire talented TEs without spending a first round pick on one (especially not a top 10 pick). They are great to have, but tend to be a low value position for whatever reason.