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But, it's not in a vacuum. People clearly know the difference between Darnold and Rodgers, but tried to use his receivers being on this list as a reason this stat doesn't matter. Darnold doesn't have the other passing stats that Rodgers does, so combined with this stat, it shows Sam really isn't doing anything well, and the big plays we need, he is generally leaving them on the field.

And those bringing up Rodgers' receivers on the list... now share their receiving stats and Rodgers' throwing stats as well. The difference here is Rodgers completes almost 67% of his passes and only has 3 picks, and he throws a TON of deep passes historically. Don't be intentionally dense.

Actually it does. Robby's catch rate was almost identical in his time with the Jets and Sam as it is this year. I think I saw last year he was up in the 70s. And he clearly wasn't loafing with Jets or we wouldn't have signed him... it has to do something with his comfortability and ability to read the ball coming off of Sam's hand... I guess almost like a batter being able to read and identify pitches as a pitcher releases them, and for that reason, why guys handpick who throws to them in HR Derbys. They've just never been able to get on the same page, and it has nothing to do with effort.

Saw this on Cat Crave's FB page, but from PFF for what it's worth.

Like I said, unless they figure this poo out, our season ended on Sunday.

I honestly felt we hadn't seen worse QB play in our franchise history over a sustained period of time because Teddy was so conservative overall, combined with his clutch mistakes, and losing whatever it was, 8 or 9 games on the last drive. But, then along came Sam... I figured as long as we got a guy that was somewhat accurate and willing to go downfield, we would win several more games. And here we are now with Sam having a lower yards per attempt than even Captain of the Checkdown Teddy. I will also say, as the year went on, Teddy did get worse and mistakes more obvious than early in the season, Sam has just got the jump on him because he's been doing it here and there for weeks already and is generally costing us games before we get to the 4th. But, now with hindsight and more perspective 6 weeks into this season, two things are clear - a lot of Teddy's problems were Brady being a horrible coordinator, and two, Sam is indeed a horrible QB. I said it in the gamethread Sunday, but if they want to salvage anything from this season, they are better off going ahead and starting PJ before we get too upside down on our record.

While that's a lot, it isn't nearly as historic as I thought it would be. Also, I think the real headline here should be that out of all the passes Sam threw, only 25 were deemed catchable.

I'm somewhere in the middle... I didnt want him at all as our coach, mainly because I was not impressed by the college program building rah-rah type stuff, and as you said, he never really won anything meaningful. I wasn't impressed. But then when we hired him and the reports about wanting to be heavy on analytics, science, player health/recovery, and his watching his opening presser, I felt like he was super charismatic and could be the perfect man for the job. Well, I have serious doubts about all of that, and I'm starting to feel like gets a used car salesman and I just got sold a lemon.

Yeah, I used to look forward to his pressers and hearing him speak. I'm tired of it. Less talking, show me. Also, announcing your plans to the rest of the league before doing it when every week they blame our problems on execution probably isn't the brightest move either.

Nice. And its gonna keep happening as long as we keep welcoming opposing fans to take over our stadium.

Ahh, now we have reached the stage of this interaction where you parrot what I've already said. I think we're done here, Jorgie.

Well, I guess it's a matter of interpretation, but I agree he did delegate the blame to the coordinators more, but I was referring to him responding with a lot of "maybe" open-ended answers and having no explanation for certain things that have been an issue. But he looked more frazzled and less confident than I have ever seen him... he also resorted back to a lot of "we just have to execute better," which is a cop out.

I remember them

I agree the defense isn't what we thought it was, and it appears to be getting worse with each passing week. And I didn't mean that last 4th qtr drive had them winded, I was saying they were on the field that drive and then immediately in OT after having been on the field almost the entirety of the second half outside of our last offensive drive. So, I do think that had an effect. But, it's besting a dead horse. The whole team sucked ass today, outside of special teams

Ok, Mr. Cooter.

Take my OC, PLEASE!

I believe in giving them the freedom to demonstrate how stupid they truly are.

If saying you comparing my mother's genitalia to a hot pocket and calling it a "cooter" in the process is your definition of "besting," then sure.

Just watching his presser, some key points: •They went uptempo and we hadn't seen a lot of that on tape before playing them •We ran 8 man fronts throughout the day and they're not supposed to be able to run on those (his words), and they did anyway •Maybe we need to run more uptempo on offense •We need to find out who we are offensively and find out who our core is and what is our identity •Basically said the difference in our offense from the vast majority of the day and that last drive was guys making unbelievable plays (specifically Sam to Ian on the 4th and 10) The tone and mannerisms of everything he's saying is sprinkled with confusion and self-doubt. And acknowledging we don't know who we are offensively while also questioning aloud whether we need to run uptempo offense because it seems we're getting more production out of it seems like someone who has no idea what is going on, especially on that side of the ball. He sees what's working, but we still don't do it until we have to. Also, publicly admitting that we hadn't seen much of a certain look on film for the third week in a row is very telling. So, if a team does something even slightly different from what we've studied, they exponentially increase their chances of beating us because he's acknowledging we don't know how to counter it if we didn't prepare for it. And the difference between good offense and bad offense is guys having to make ubelievable plays. This is pathetic. He really seemed to be actively searching for answers he didn't have with each question. The silver lining appears to be he is now admitting Sam needs a ton of help to win (and not from the OL, but specifically from guys making plays), Brady and the offense have no identity or rhythm, and Sam can't turn the ball over... so hopefully, Brady and Darnold are on a much shorter leash from here on.

A stat line Sam can't even achieve in his wildest dreams.

TBH, I think his frame. Plain and simple. He exerts so much speed, effort, and explosion to get there, he overruns them and doesn't have the weight or sturdiness to stick to the QB once he has his hands on him. It sucks, and I love him and his potential as a player, but I've accepted it's who he is at this point.

While the coaching has been exposed as subpar, I don't care who is coaching him, Darnold is not a starting NFL QB. He and Blaine Gabbert are the same guy.

Again, I agree they had to have been bad all day to give up 500+ yards of offense and the points we gave up, but that OT drive they absolutely were gassed. They had just been on the field for the last drive before the missed FG and then came right back and had to stop them on the first possession of OT. And that was after having had to be on the field almost the entirety of the 2nd half because the offense couldn't sustain a drive until the last one of the game. I do believe as much as there is invested on that side, they have to make a play and get us off the field at some point, but there is no form of complementary football on the other side of the ball whatsoever.

Ahh yes, "cooter." I remember 3rd grade well. Enjoy your Capri Sun.

I can't agree with the receivers route running. Yes the OL is really bad, but they Brady isn't calling anything to challenge the defense. Those route combos and concepts are elementary at best. Even look at what the Vikings started doing with Osborn as the game went on. They weren't getting any production one on one against Taylor, so they started lining them up in trips and doubles and then ran drags across the field where Taylor had to run through traffic and couldn't man his guy up, so he ends up chasing the play. We do nothing like that, and when we do, Sam doesn't believe what he's seeing and either elects to run or holds the ball until he's sacked. The playcalling is abysmal and Brady is feeding into Darnold's weaknesses with it, but as I stated, Darnold is bad even when he has time. That last drive was a bit of luck and an aberration because he isn't willing to take those shots until he is forced to.