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Andy Dalton is dogwater. Yes I expect my first overall pick to at minimum be a push in comparison. I do not believe that is an outlandish or unreasonable expectation. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I like you man but is this really the best you've got to hang your hat on from a number one pick who just finished with one of the worst stastical rookie seasons ever? I see his participation there as the bare miminum. I was not referring to the bare minimum when I said extra time in the post you quoted. And yes I absolutely recall a decent amount of discussion around his fairly awful deep ball accuracy in those drills to the point us casual fans and even some of the independent guys covering the team were concerned but chalked it up to rust. Clearly that was not the case. If he can't get that deep ball figured out our season is DOA. So yes I would be thrilled to see and expect to see our first overall pick going above and beyond developing chemistry with all of his receivers this season.

Well it bares repeating that Andy Dalton who is a pretty awful QB at this stage in his career made it work with the important prerequisites you mentioned. Last seasons results weren't all Mingo and the rest of the receiving cores fault. Nor were said results all of Bryce Young's fault clearly. But you also can't negate the fact that when Bryce Young was on the field every defense we faced had seen the film. The film of said route running and the film of Bryce Young not utilizing the entire field. All of that made their jobs significantly easier. I do agree I have high hopes for our new WR from the Steelers. Though if what I've read from a Steelers fan here who seemed pretty straightforward about his assessment of Johnson is true then we should keep expectations relatively even until we've seen him with this group for a few games. Idk man looks more like a photo op to me. Let's remember Bryce Young looked to be the most rusty and inaccurate of the three QB's in the deep passing drills at BOA during camp. Even moreso than Matt Corral. How did that translate to the regular season? We'll just have to see what his approach is this season.

Was Bryce Young not allowed to put in extra time developing a rapport with his wide receivers? Let's hope that's changed for 2024.

That Scott Fitterer guy was awful. Good thing we cleaned house and didn't keep the scouting dept and hire his best friend to replace him.

Well fug him and the Broncos.

I'd take him in an instant given our need but he has his options and has the right to be picky at this point in his career. Seems likely he will probably be a Jet.

Got my hopes up initially reading the tweet until I got further in and realized it was nonsense. All the same fug the Falcons and Kirk Cousins.

Yeah he's not worth that contract certainly not for us. Have fun dealing with that douchecanoe Aaron Rodgers.

Yeah but it can't be that significant of an extra cost to use grass during football season. Nicole already said the quiet part out loud though.

You'd think. But knowing how he regards criticism and how petty he is. I think he isn't doing it because it would be him giving in. We know he reads comments about the team on social media. There's no way he is not aware of it and even Panthers players have publicly commented on this. Unfortunately this is the same man who called fans critical of him basement dwellers and purposely mispronounced the name of the coach he just fired in a press conference he made all about himself. It's just who he is. Also. Concerts.

Tepper's ego.

Could be. But he's my consolation red zone signing since we are back to the TE position being pretty much a black hole again.

Baffling. All you can do at this point is sit back and laugh.

For a reasonable price given his injury history I'm fine with it. No reason not to kick the tires. Get the deal done tonight.

Yessir keep stacking that OL depth.

As much as it hurts to mention the two in the same convo given what we sacrificed to draft Bryce there are definite parallels between them. First there's the passing completion percentage number. Bryce Young finished his rookie season with a 59.8 and Sam Darnold is at 59.7 for his career. Then there's the ever used excuse about coaching. Adam Gase Frank Reich same poo. Sam also had a mostly awful to mediocre offensive line in NY. Same excuse was used here with Rhule. We know everything that followed. The very brief 3 game high and the factory of sadness that awaited. Demeanor wise they both seem to generally be very friendly likeable and reasonably intelligent guys. On field though there just seems to be something missing. If you draft a QB first or top 3 you want him to show you his competiveness even if he's going down swinging. My own observation is it seems like both Sam and Bryce were just going through the motions. Like at the end of the day it's just a job not the end of the world. Hey there's nothing wrong with that for QB's who just want to fill a career bouncing around as a backup. But for at the very top of the draft you need to see a whole lot more than that. The thing about Sam is he actually has every physical tool you could want. And even then it's still not enough. Bryce Young doesn't have that advantage and he's had really bad footwork to boot. I guess we'll have to see if the super processor smaller Payton Manning talk ever comes to fruition because he's going to need it.

I stopped paying any mind to the Mingo is a bust it's not Bryce's fault talk after BY missed him deep for that easy long touchdown.

What makes the debate even worse is some people here not only dug in on one QB over the other but when it became apparent BY was our pick they basically said Stroud was going to be a bust. And enough of this revisionist history crap. Nobody here had the Texans and their pre training camp outlook pegged as a playoff team. All this he went to a better situation mess came about once Bryce Young cemented his rookie season as one of the all time worst. If you want the conversation to go away then stop making threads about it and definitely stop trying to rewrite history. Nobody wants to hear that nonsense anymore.

All Burns talk aside it's easy to see why the defense finally got fed up with the historically pitiful offense led by Bryce Young. We were 32 out of 32 in offensive yards per game for the season and 32 out of 32 in total passing yards. I'm still waiting to see anything about Bryce working with his receivers in his own time over these last few months. Seems like that would be pretty important to him given the excuses we kept hearing about a supposed lack of chemistry.

Good is a subjective term open to a world of interpretation though. If he's in the elite convo which even CJ Stroud was as a rookie that will shut up pretty much anyone. Cam is a different matter altogether. Cam Newton received a lot of that vitriol because he was absolutely unapologetic about his confidence and also expressing himself on and off the football field not just as a QB but a black athlete under the microscope just for existing. The Tennessee mom fan effect. Bryce Young is not going to have to worry about much of that if at all. That's not who he is that is not his personality. And that's fine. We just need to see him lift himself and the team around him as a competitor and become the leader of what is now his team.

I can safely say that 99.9% of the Carolina Huddle would be thrilled and relieved to see that even the detractors. Winning cures all. What's wrong with waffles? They're fuging delicious.

No reason at all to disrespect the man in general. Being Bryce's dad however doesn't mean we need his input on roster building. If anyone is suggesting this common sense notion is personally disrespectful for a franchise that has the worst win percentage in sports the last few years well maybe assess what your priorities are. On the other hand I guess he can't be any worse than Scott Fitterer or our scouting department responsible for the last couple years of drafts.

That's what I'm worried about since Morgan and the Tepper's need to save face for the trade and the pick. To me that should result in us taking a QB early in 2025. Let them both compete and go from there. But I have a feeling the current decision makers would use it as an excuse to double down on Bryce. My position is he needs to look like a top 12-15 QB minimum for me not to draft another one in 2025. I want what's best for my franchise. Emotions and reputation salvaging for the front office can't enter the equation.