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Chuba was a 4th round pick. That's where you're supposed to take a shot at that position. Who other than a few knuckleheads were truly mad about the pick? As far as overall the last several years the sad truth is some people in the fanbase could have made better choices in the draft. That's not hyperbole or a hot take. We have been dreadful.

Unfortunately this is what the current ownership has done to our Panthers. Lower than joke status. Don't want to see either of them in the draft room this year. But you know they'll be lurking like vampires.

Eh. Evero has been here through now 2 coaching regimes. He also pushed for guys like DJ Johnson and has apparently had significant enough input on some free agency moves too. At this point nobody knows about Canales. Even Bryce Young's progress has to be taken with a grain of salt. The rubber has to meet the road in a big way in 2025. But I think it's fair to say the plan from the front office seems to be to let Canales focus on the offense. Although some people could rightly argue he needs to be more hands on across the roster given the fact his defense was 32/32 last season. And look let's be real here. Virtually everyone here is going to agree Rhule was a conman and not a good NFL head coach by any means. But he did swindle our owner out of a generational amount of money. That cannot be understated. With Reich though while he was not the man for the job he didn't even coach here a full season. Saying he didn't develop anyone while giving our front office a pass for their egregiously subpar drafting before and after he was gone (see our 2024 2nd round pick) seems odd. The simple fact of the matter is we need to both draft significantly better and we need to develop talent better.

All roads lead back to David Tepper.

Might as well leave no stone unturned I guess.

I want to laugh but we've gone out of our way to retain the same draft scouts that have helped us navigate some of the worst drafts in franchise history the last few years. The RAS obsession began with Tepper. Ultimately I think he is the one pushing for it the most. Don't need to hire any new draft scouts if the owner is the one calling the shots.

Well I don't disagree with you. But that isn't in the cards this season although we should IMO absolutely consider a QB in the mid rounds with some potential just to have on the roster because Jack Plummer is the definition of an afterthought and Andy Dalton while he is a great guy he is simply cooked at this point in his career let's just be honest. Certainly this year is the put up or shut up year regardless of circumstances. Or at least it should be. I've said all along my concern is this regime led by the Tepper's who have a built in need to save face for pushing for the trade will be willing to accept even marginal improvement as a "win" and seek to explore contract extension options with Bryce. While I like Dan Morgan he certainly is and was a direct part of that as Fitterer’s right-hand man so he also has a key stake in saving face too. I'm just hoping 2025 for the most part is a campaign that will silence any and all doubt and leave very little to be debated. At least then as a fanbase we could come together and end most of these constant feuds over the starting QB at least temporarily. We'll see.

Some of your points here have validity to a certain extent in general but drawing a line in the sand over some of these things like diamond necklaces in relation to pro athletes and particularly professional NFL quarterbacks just sounds like something Nolan Nawrocki would say. And that's not anywhere anyone should want to be if they also want to be considered an intellectual. That to me sounds like the complete opposite of intellectualism. Anyways. If one wants to be skeptical of Sanders they can do so without the above. First point of order would be how he will fare in the NFL if he publicly throws his teammates under the bus after a loss as he did his offensive linemen in college previously. People can say what they want about Cam Newton but he never did that and he had every valid reason to. But there's a line you will struggle heavily to come back from in an NFL locker room if you cross it and that is one. Time will tell how Sanders will navigate these things.

And I'll say it again. We really need some opposing viewpoints from other fans here again. Some people have resided within an echo chamber for too long.

Bryce Young as a now third year QB has arguably even more to prove than a rookie Sanders. He's got a tremendous amount of work to do to slam the door shut on a very significant amount of bad tape.

I completely agree. Evero has arguably the most to prove out of anyone this season especially considering he's had significant input on roster moves. You could make the argument both parties should have moved on. But what's done is done. I just hope it works out in our favor. But if it does not then it will just be one more Panthers blunder many fans could see coming. We'll find out.

As far as WR goes it's worth noting the amount of movement with the position via trade compared to years past. Other than bonafide guys like Jefferson and Chase teams are much more open to moving talented receivers now. That has worked out for and against different teams to varying degrees but if you look at the Super Bowl winners as of late a balanced roster paired with high level coaching is the key. With that in mind. Give me all the pass rush.

I obviously agree Bryce Young and Dave Canales need to make huge strides this upcoming season. Especially given the resources we've tied to the offense and hiring an offensive minded head coach. That goes without saying. As far as the defense goes beyond the top the bottom blowout losses we experienced even in the closer games there were guys across the defense getting picked on regularly. That's all over the game film our upcoming opponents this year will be prepared for. There's a lot of people with something to prove on both sides of the ball.

I don't mean to come down on you individually here. But I have to say. Please for the love of anything sacred can you and others stop with this idiotic cope? The Houston Texans regardless of the struggles they dealt with in 2024 have made the playoffs and won a playoff game in back to back seasons after being one play away from the first overall pick in 2022. Our Panthers haven't made the playoffs since 2017. We have got to stop carrying water for these decision makers here in Carolina and trying to diminish other franchises. Nobody in this organization has earned even a shred of benefit of the doubt.

And the truth of the matter is we gave up 35 passing touchdowns and quite a bit of that was our 100 million dollar CB getting eaten up.

You don't have to sell anyone that our run defense needs fixing. But we don't have to draft project defensive linemen at 8th overall to address our deficiencies. Some people here just live to shine shoes.

I still can't forget all the poo some people talked about DJ Moore for years. Dude put up 1000 yard seasons with bum QB's. Now here we are just hoping and praying one of these young draft picks can even begin to fill his shoes. The guy who so many people said was only a #2. You reap what you sow.

Oh absolutely injuries were a killer. I'm expecting big things from Derrick with the additions we've made. But I won't listen to any excuses this year for our defensive coordinator. We need results.

It's all about that RAS score baby!

On paper we look improved. And at this point it should be nearly impossible to be worse than we were last year anyways. But if there's an NFL franchise out there that understands more than most the ultimate insignificance of checking off boxes as improved before actually seeing the results on the field it's the Panthers.

It's just what we do.

I get the allure of trading down in theory. I just don't see this being a draft where multiple teams are willing to cut off their own nose to trade up and give up a sweet deal in the process. I mean maybe one or two teams will get antsy but I would be really surprised if we got an offer that would be worth not just sitting put and taking one of the best talents available. Furthermore I just don't think this front office with so much to prove after years of underwhelming drafts needs to be overthinking this. But that's just me.

While I readily acknowledge we could certainly use another young safety. If we draft one at 8th overall over DL or offense I will be ready to flip a table over.

https://x.com/josephperson/status/1786056064254837242 https://x.com/InsideTheLeague/status/1786771136748937429 As I said to another poster most changes have been limited to the pro personnel side. Last year around this time we fired the director and assistant director of pro scouting and a senior personnel executive "retired". Beyond that over the last few years or so we have moved around or promoted some people here and there in the college scouting dept but there have been no major firings or wholesale changes on that side of the operation. Which some here could and would rightfully argue is long overdue given that our drafts have been either mediocre or awful for a long time now.