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Well there's a second Lombardi trophy over there in the midst of it all.

https://www.buccaneers.com/team/front-office-roster/mike-greenberg

It is quite ironic. But it is indicative of what made Morgan the hire. He had to be on board with sacrificing other crucial parts of the team in order to build around Bryce Young and justify the trade. It's why other GM candidates flatly balked at interviews.

Licht is one of the better GM's in the league and he's been with them since 2014. It's crazy what can happen when you have an owner who actually allows football people to make the decisions.

Eric Collins is a gem. I don't expect the team to give him much to work with unfortunately.

I figured. Admittedly there was a time when I tried to give Evero the benefit of the doubt. Lesson learned. He is after all someone that David Tepper particularly believes in to the point he basically forced him to stay here another year.

The heavy push into analytics started with Tepper. And now we have PFF bros on the payroll.

His track record speaks for itself at this point and it is horrific. He came in with a ton of hype but nothing he has done or been involved in to this point has shown that it was justified. He is basically the Scott Fitterer of defensive coordinators.

Cam Newton wasn't even regarded as the best QB in his draft class by most analysts and quite a few people on the huddle. You look at how they played against the best competition you look at their physical traits you look at how they carry themselves as athletes and amongst their teammates and you make the best determination you can.

Get more aggressive with the playcalling he says but zero mention of the glaring physical limitations of the starting quarterback. Guess he wants to keep his credentials with the Panthers.

Let's just keep it real with one another. We've exhausted all these resources into the offense to the detriment of our defense in order to try and make our #1 pick who was billed as a generational ball distributor who would not require elite talent around him look even halfway serviceable. And it has blown up in our faces

9th in offensive spending and 28th in defensive spending and folks like you complain about the defense not doing more but you don't see it as lopsided?

Unpacking that whole dynamic is really something. First of all how everyone there is so used to David and Nicole Tepper just being completely involved that it's just another day. Then Dan Morgan just being a complete and utter yes man to his former best friend Scott Fitterer. At the end of the day all of these people are just sycophants to ownership. Nothing will improve until they completely remove themselves from the equation or sell the team.

There was a whole lot of coping going on in that thread damn. Life comes at you fast!

Bryce Young has been handed starting gigs since he was a kid and his parents paid for him to get the best coaching available. It cannot be understated what playing for Saban and Alabama did for him in terms of his perception in the media. The hype he has received and the pass he still receives is like nothing I've ever seen. You would think he willed a mediocre Alabama team to a national championship and won it largely on his own. Cam Newton did that. And he still wasn't regarded as the best QB in his class. Bryce showed up to the combine and hid out in a hoodie. He knew full well what he was doing and you best believe his parents were in his ear advising him to do so too. He looks like a guy who has never had to face real adversity in his life. And the Panthers have only reinforced that and further coddled him. The results speak volumes.

Posted this before but for 2025 our salary cap spending on the offense versus the defense is comically lopsided. We have invested a great deal just to try and make this kid look even mediocre and he can't do it. https://overthecap.com/positional-spending

Watched the video read this guys responses in the comments. He's just another in a long line of folks carrying water. The Panthers have many problems and 99% of folks readily acknowledge that. But to just ignore the fact that Bryce Young's distinct lack of ability to throw downfield competently and consistently and his horrible ball placement is putting the offense and the defense as a result in predicaments throughout games is not even a viewpoint worth responding to anymore. These people cannot be helped.

Whew buddy that's rough. You can assess all the factors with the team this is truly a bad franchise but at the same time the lack of flashes or elevating anyone around him at any level is impossible to ignore. Go to Andy or Hendon and just roll with that for the rest of the season good and bad. Either of them will poo the bed too sooner or later but at least we will try to move the ball downfield and actually see who is and is not worth keeping around developmentally.

Is Bryce Young going to wake up tomorrow morning and have the physical tools of Baker Mayfield?

That and a significantly better run organization.

His numbers for the season so far are admittedly impressive. I'll be curious to see how he sustains it. I have a hard time believing he would be doing that here though. I think he's where he wanted to be which is a bigger market.

The overall vibe I get from Dave Canales on gamedays is he not a head coach. He's just running the offense and hands off with everything else. At the same time it's challenging to guage specifically where the lack of consistent intensity and aggressive football stems from when the go to defacto leader of the team is quiet unsure of himself and lacks the necessary physical tools to succeed at this level.

Wouldn't shock me one way or another. I'm just not on board with moving any young players this season. Even Bryce Young. Deal with that after the season. Just bench him turn the page and go to the next guy. See how your receivers and tight ends respond. This is what I had always assumed it would be the last several months. A developmental season for everyone including our head coach. Now see what transpires and figure out who is worth keeping.

Maybe. We can only speculate. But I say let the young wide receivers and tight ends sink or swim without question this season. Right now we just need someone that can deliver them passes beyond 10 yards more often than once or twice game.

There actually has been quite a lot of criticism of Morgan. Him being Fitterer’s former best friend and there with him though many bad moves has been discussed extensively. It's just reached a point where more people now realize he is just a figurehead as was Fitterer and the Tepper's have been and still are pulling strings behind the scenes and heavily involved in major moves and decisions. So long as that exists it really doesn't matter who the GM is.