frankw

High standards for everyone but the #1 pick you traded up to draft. Is it any wonder this team continues to flounder?

The defense has been a problem we all know this. Evero and the talent level have held us back no doubt. But it is also worth questioning what effect the QB play or lack thereof is having on that side of the ball. And it is absolutely legitimate to consider that not only them being on the field more but watching the QB and the offense waste drive after drive has an effect on morale if the unit is already not ideal.

I don't think we need to argue over the existence of the drops. Look at the film. Instead of arguing about was this a drop or was that a drop we should be looking at the throws from Bryce and recognizing the fact that there are so many 50/50 balls and passes that receivers have to make physical adjustments to even attempt to haul in. You cannot just put everything on the receiver at all times. For the WR to have success the QB has to be able to more often than not put them in a position to succeed. And we also have to be able to acknowledge when the QB is putting the receiver in jeopardy and that did happen Sunday particularly with Renfrow. I mean even a guy like TMac with his catch radius has faced a challenge hauling in passes from Young. And we're pretty hyped about him. Legette and Sanders I will say have underwhelmed. That's something the head coach needs to sort out. But we still have a really good RB room and we have the highest paid OL for 2025 by a significant margin. Nobody here even necessarily expected Bryce and the team to win many games. They just expected to see competency and something really anything to build on going forward. What we did not want to see was multiple steps back again. And with the investments that have been made there's really no excuse.

Okay so he and we are acknowledging that Bryce is still making mistakes and not recognizing basic coverages in his third season. So what does he do to prepare? Remember before the draft the entire hype around him revolved around not only his ability to improvise when the play breaks down on the field but his dedication to preparation off the field in the film room. So if all of this is happening and his footwork is still anywhere between mediocre and horrific in any given play what is he doing in the offseason and in between games? This and his elite processing was supposed to be his key selling point. Then leadership was the sprinkle on top and let's be honest that's lacking at best too. So what is it that Bryce Young excels at in any phase of the game right now?....

Man that's a sobering parallel but you are right. It would be like 3 years of Carr but people still trying to convince themselves he's the franchise QB while talking down to others as if they are not real fans for refusing to believe so. Which is literally insane but that's where we're at unfortunately. Well at this point all we can do is see what happens over the next few weeks. But if our head coach and our QB show up with the same old same old and the low energy most of the rest of the team is going to follow that and fold just like they did in Jacksonville.

Been through Cam and Jake. While both were flawed both weathered their share of scathing criticism and less than ideal circumstances and still flashed franchise QB level play more often than not. This is not that. Comparing this to either of our two best long term QB's in franchise history is frankly disgusting.

I mean the guy is the face of the franchise he could at least make an attempt to set an example for the other guys. And our previous GM did directly address this and stated they would get Bryce on a nutrition program and get him in the gym.

Furthermore it needs to be explicitly stated that if we are going to expect perfection from every single pass catcher on this roster at all times then why are we not also asking why for three years in a row now Bryce Young one of the smallest lightest starting QB's in the league begins the regular season looking exactly the same as if he has made absolutely no attempt to even enter the weight room.

Drops are also going to inevitably happen in any offense on any given gameday. I don't know when or where specifically this expectation changed for Bryce Young but as a #1 overall pick you are supposed to flash something anything even in adverse circumstances. But he is not making matters any better with his lack of arm talent. It is on tape. Defenses see this tape too. They do not respect his arm. Just watch the games.

More than generous. It's detached from reality. Which is what pretty much all each of these takes in defense of him have become. Fully detached from reality.

There is the concept of dealing in fairy tales and then there is dealing in real world realities. You cannot come away thinking Bryce Young is anything but one of the worst starting QB's in the league if you are basing your conclusion on verifiable data across all of his 31 career games that lines up with what you are seeing with your own two eyes if you are dealing in a reality based discussion. It is that simple.

Right. The crazy thing is how much the narrative has shifted from the spring of 2023. I remember back when the comparisons to Stroud before the draft were going in wild directions. There was one discussion in particular that people had taken and ran with that Bryce had the highest tight window throw % based off some random metric from who knows where. Which to me the tape doesn't lie. CJ Stroud was throwing heaters into absurdly small windows at times while Bryce was tossing up prayers to guys with 2 or more yards on their defender and sometimes still underthrew it. At the end of the day people have to swallow that lump in their throat and begin accepting Bryce Young as people previously perceived him was a media creation because he played for Saban and Alabama. If he played anywhere else all of this discussion would be completely different.

The every single little thing has to be perfect for him to have marginal success rationale is beyond the pale. This guy was supposed to be a "magician" off script. That was his bread and butter before the draft. Now we need top talent top coaching top to bottom perfection every single time guys lineup etc. These people are insane.

I'm glad someone pointed this out. It shows how much of an echo chamber effect has taken hold for some regarding Bryce. Legitimately every single one of these people would be clowning on him 24/7 if he was the starting QB for any of our division rivals. If you need any confirmation of that. One of the biggest most outspoken Bryce defenders recently within the last week spent multiple pages gleefully celebrating Caleb Williams struggles.

The Brees comparisons were insanity from the start. I never cared for Drew one iota but the guy is a hall of famer. Bryce's actual comp in terms of ceiling has been Tua. And well. Let's just say that was a bad omen. Because more often than not he's been anywhere between mid to horrific and the complete opposite of good in the playoffs anyway. We just need to throw another dart at QB in the 2026 draft and keep it pushing.

It would be just like that awful pass he threw into blanket coverage that got picked off against the Texans in preseason. But because it was a free play it was fine. The fact he even threw that in the first start of his regular season is very concerning at the least. His decision making has not improved. He's supposed to be a super processor.

I think you just can't handle the truth. It's fine. That's life. Good luck.

Minnesota was on some bountygate poo that drive. Gifting the Bears points.

That's plainly out.

You're not wrong sadly.

Ben Johnson finding out what it's actually like coaching the Bears. You got what you wanted. McCarthy has some swagger about him. He's not a milquetoast and seems to motivate his teammates. Must be nice.

I've been told by some here that Adam Thielen has exceptional hands.

Brock Purdy is making 53 million per season. Geno Smith is making more per season than Darnold. Rodgers wasn't going to sign there with a 10th overall pick breathing down his neck. He saw what happened to Cousins in Atlanta. I don't know why you're arguing with me like I'm pounding the table for Darnold. All I'm saying is they had other options and 30 million a season for a starting QB is not that much anymore. Dak Prescott is the highest paid QB this year with 60 million. Furthermore. Even Daniel Jones went out and blew the doors off the Dolphins on Sunday. The Vikings have one of the two best WR's in the league. They just made a dumb decision.

If you believe that grade you might as well believe in Santa Claus too. Try this. https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-week-1-recap-bryce-young-panthers/

Somebody did someone a personal favor with that grade. I have to wonder how much money Tepper has tied up in PFF since we are hiring their guys now.