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I'm not saying most rookies get pass rushers even first rounders are 10 sacks guys. I am fine with scourton I think he's a solid player. He does have 10 sack potential.

You named one guy out of hundreds every year. Yes sacks aren't the end all be all but they are field flippers and they end drives. When you need the ball back sacks are critical in getting off the field on 3rd down. You simply don't see many elite pass rushers that aren't first round picks. Look at the best sack artist in the league from to recent 90% of them are first rounders. The guys that are good at getting after the quarterback are identified Early.

Not denying that's a possibility but this sounds like he's the only available black coach in the league and under minds the improvements made on defense this past season.

Just curious.. what pass rushers taken in the 4th round here recently puts up 10 sacks a game? Because that's what we need. Can you get a body before the 4th round sure.. but a impact player at edge before round 1 is rare. Scourton for what ever you think he was getting 5 sacks is soild.. it's not elite.. and another 5 sack guy wouldn't give us what we needed. We need a day 1 impact guy. James pierce 10 sacks as a rookie at the end of the first round we need that. We don't need another princely project type player we need impact. Impact isn't not to be had after the 1/2 round at the pass rush position.

Pass rushers absolutely can't be found in any round. That's the reason we don't have one.. out side QB pass rushers is the second most important position.

It's a foregone conclusion he will miss 6-12 months. That leaves a significant hole at the position but not long term. A lot of reporters are penciling us in for a tackle at 19, which I don't think is a bad idea at worst you can slide him to right tackle seeing as moton is getting up there in age. But I don't think that does anything to get us over the hump. If we draft a tackle at 19, does that make us better than we are vs the rams? Does that give us better pass rush or more play makers? I think you can draft a tackle down the line sure just to fill in for a while until ickey is back but I wouldn't invest a first round pick in a position just because a guy might miss a month at most of football or so. I would resign josh, brady chris and address holes we have no answers 2. If you want to take a tackle or lineman after the 3rd round a project go for it.. but the holes at linebacker edge and a play making tight end and deep threat are the reason we are at home now. Not the back up left tackle who played decently. What say you?

I think a guy who went what 2-7, 2-8 down the stretch has shown more stagnation and less upside than a guy who Atlanta down the stretch showed promise and upside.

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My bad again I was sure he was fired as well for that horrible down the stretch record. Him and Arron glenn for sure should have been fired. More so than raheem morris.

My bad on Glen I thought it was a foregone conclusion he would be fired for the jets season last year. And no team doesn't need a black defensive coordinator. Vance JosephTodd Bowles, Raheem Morris, Leslie Frazier, and recently, Patrick Graham Raiders and Brian Floresare also available

Plenty other black coaches available to fill "the rooney" rule.. raheem morris for sure, wilks Arron glen.. evero isn't sorry.

Agreed 1000% you aren't even in the playoffs with the defense which over achieved this year with a undermanned staff..

Clearly the rest of the league knows more about good coaching than the average fan

I love this personally. Question the last drive all you want. A lot of that could have been the absence of horn and having a new corner who hadn't played much on the outside, but simply you aren't in the playoffs without the defenses play this year. Horn and jackson made a killing with ints this year.. and that's without a reliable pass rush. Coming off historically the worse defense ever with a lack of players you give him brown back and a few rookies and your back to an average defense. That shows coaching isn't the issue it's lack of chess pieces to make the system work. If he isn't force to blitz to generate pressure which he clearly doesn't like to do his defense is even better. I think he's a top 10 defensive mind.

You clearly don't know what your talking about.. that's a zone defense. He didn't have rozeboom man to man following puka.

I'm gonna be the controversial guy here. I think evero is a brilliant defensive mind. Worthy of a head coaching gig. He been running defensr since before canales came to town and canales basically give him the keys saying hey it's all yours. That said you can't make a 5 star meal with gas station ingredients.. no derrick Brown no burns and a depleted defense lead to that horrible defense last year. This year you get brown back and some young guys and your middle of the pack.. that can't be because evero doesn't know what he's doing. Give him some weapons where he doesn't have to blitz to simulate pressure and I think he's a top 10 defensive coach. Question the soft coverage and love of zone all you want but a lot of this defenses limitations are already baked into the lack of talent. Roseboom, wallace and cherlius are also not world beaters.. nick scott I'm gonna say it is ass.. doesn't need to start next season period.

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Personally I like evero. I think he's a great young mind and he's made the most out of what he has. Our leading sack getter has 5 sacks lol. To be in the playoffs with this.. I think at the very least he did his job.

The average defense exceeds the sum of the parts we have given him to work with. Imagine average when your coming off the worst NFL defense and your leading sack getter is a rookie with 5.5 sacks.

I would think just off athletic ability, he's bigger faster and stronger than Scott and undrafted guy and ransom a slower guy. Now could they be more instinctive yes.. but sheer talent and speed to get to spots I wouldn't think so

I get that he is a bust and will never live up to his billing. But he is a guy that had generational measurables and size. He had 100 tackle twice in Arizona.. are you telling me he isnt good enough to play ahead of nick Scott and ransom.. come on bro.

I guess we should have know by his number 27, now I guess we have to ask is he worse than nick Scott and ransom?

I'm not even sure that's all it because he was out of the league before then The last time he played he was in like the AFL or some other league that wasn't the NFL when he was still trying to play so I can only assume he didn't cut it as a backup even when he was trying

I think you have to factor in this is a bad QB class and would you rather have Willis or Moore or Mendoza..