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People keep saying this as a reason to move back, but for me, it's a reason to stay put. Sure, let's say we agree with the premise that on the whole, teams think the talent level between the middle of the first through much of the second is pretty similar. The problem is that teams don't view ALL of those players the same way, every team has certain players they like more than others, just as there are some they strongly dislike more than others. Because of that, it's impossible to predict who will still be there if you trade back, more so than ever before. For example, we could feel it's safe to trade back from 8 to say 20 because the player we really want, we don't think is going to be taken until the early 2nd, so they'll easily still be there at 20 in our minds. The problem is that with this draft, that same player could be the 10th person on another team's board and thus will end up getting taken at like pick 13ish. It's why I'd rather just stay put, take the player we feel strongest about at that time, and call it a day.

Has he been saying he will only play for certain teams or something?

Honestly, if we did this and took the top OT at #8, I really would not hate it

I'm guessing you didn't watch the clip as he specifically said he's hearing T-Mac could be taken before Jeanty. I just assumed the question was meant to disregard Hunter, as he's not falling outside the Top 3 anyways, so if he was included, it would be a dumb question.

So he's thinking/hearing that T-Mac could go before Jeanty, who is all but assured to go in the Top 10, but so many here are so sure that he's not worth taking at 8 if he's there when we're up, ya'll be crazy.

Dwayne Jarrett would be T-Mac's floor if he were to fall into a coma and wake up 3 years from now and come back to play again.

Sorry, but anyone who doesn't think there isn't much of a difference in quality between the 5th and 45th pick in the draft, then you're an idiot, period. If that was truly the case, then we'd be better off not even trading back, but trading out of the first 2 rounds of this draft entirely and picking up a ton of future picks instead.

The players who will be available to us with those picks are irrelevant because it's still not a good trade. And for at sam that has a recent history of making bad draft pick based trades, all this trade would do is make teams continue to low ball us in trade offers because it's clear we get pushed around. And it being that type of draft is also exactly why it's a terrible trade, because it's a bit of a crapshoot draft, so every pick you move down, makes you more likely to make a wrong pick than a right one. Even over drafting a player is a smarter move, because it means we are still taking someone we REALLY believe in, which in a draft like this is more important than value, because it gives you a better chance of hitting on the pick. All of that is also before you even dig in further and see that this is proposing a trade with the Falcons. If we're allowing a divisional opponent to move up from 15 to 8 to take someone they clearly badly want, you need to make them bleed for it. I made my comments before realizing it, and still stick by that trade package if it was a non NFCS team, now knowing it's the Falcons, if we're going from 8 to 15, I want next year's 1st and 2nd as well as this year's 2nd, anything less and they can go kick rocks.

You want to trade down from 8 to 15 and only get 46 in return? HELLLLLLLLL NO If we're trading down that far, we better be getting a 1st next year, a 2nd this year, and possibly even more.

lolz you people kill me with some of these takes, just straight up comical.

Not true at all, I know his faults and things he has to work on, but I've seen enough of him to know he's still going to be an amazing player in the NFL But whether I do or not has no bearing on your post making absolutely no sense. You have no issue with most NFL experts comparing him to Mike Evans, but I compare him to AJ Green, a worse player, and you think it's an absurd comp that would make him the #1 pick in the draft if so. It's okay to just say you said something dumb, nobody will blame you.

This makes literally zero sense. The most popular comparison for T-Mac is Mike Evans. AJ Green is not going to be a HOFer while Evans is already a HOF lock and very well might end up a first ballot guy with a few more good years. Either way, you're not comparing a player's career trajectory, just their style of play and what they do well, and to me, I've just always seen Green when watching T-Mac

The Raiders have already shown enough interest in Jeanty that anyone after 6 that wants him and would trade up for him, will already be calling the Jags for a trade anyways. The only thing them signaling interest in Jeanty could do if their interest was to trade back, would be to bluff the Raiders into making a swap with them to add draft assets while still drafting whoever they are actually targeting.

I love when people go after his YAC ability as if he wasn't 5th in the Big 12 this past season in YAC, because he was. And you can say his style of YAC doesn't mesh with this type of game, but that on its face is just nonsense, because if he's good enough to be 5th in a major conference, it clearly meshes well with his game. The reason you say it doesn't, is because you think all he is good at is making contested catches because of his radius, but because you haven't watched enough of his full tape, you don't realize that he's consistently used in the screen and short slant game to get the ball in his hands because he actually is a solid YAC guy because he's surprisingly agile for a player of his size. No, he's no Tyreek, but he has more than enough wiggle to his game that you combine it with everything he does at an elite level because of his size, and it makes for a guy who is going to be a consistent 1k yard and 10+ TD player. He can be the true outside #1 that we need, but he's also versatile enough to be moved into the slot at times to scheme the ball into his hands against smaller nickel corners or slower linebackers. He's a slightly less physical Mike Evans but with more agility, my comp was always AJ Green. He's going to be an elite #1 WR in this league for the next decade, if he's there and we pass on him to trade down for another WR, we will regret it for a long time.

My issue is that those who defend winning the meaningless games always come out saying the same thing "do you really expect the team to try and lose" which is the dumbest thing ever. No, the players and coaches aren't trying to lose, and no, I wouldn't want them to (outside of a situation where final game of the season and a loss guarantees the #1 pick, in that instance as the owner, I'm telling the coach to lose the game and that losing it won't hurt their job status because we want the #1 pick). As FANS, it's perfectly acceptable to hope your team fights, shows grit and improvement, but still come out on the losing end because it's what will help build a winning franchise long term, getting higher draft picks. Those of us who do that, we don't enjoy rooting for our team to lose, but we do it knowing that the temporary pain can help bring long term joy, and i more quickly than the alternative. I've always felt that rooting for your team to lose because you can see the bigger long term picture makes you MORE of a fan than someone who roots for them to win every single game no matter what. Because you'd rather go through pain if it means being better in the future than have a moment of joy if it hurts your future prospects.

No, if you want a WR, you just stay put and take T-Mac. I've given up most of my hope that we'll take him, as all the smoke out there is that we're going defense. But if the team decides to target a WR in the 1st round and he's there at 8 and we trade back to take someone else, we're going to regret it for a LONG time.

The term "linebacker" is a bit of an undefined position these days. Because in this instance, you're comparing him in size to players that are what generally are considered 4-3 LB's. But we're looking at him as an OLB in a 3-4 and as an edge rusher, which is more of a DE than a LB. And if you look at the "Edge" category in there, he's literally the lightest of any of the 26 players listed on that page.

So the best pass rusher in NFL history, who played in an entirely different era (and literally was the player to change the pass rushing game) and a MLB, you're not helping make the case for Walker. The people who don't want us to draft him is because his size doesn't make sense for a full time edge pass rusher in today's NFL. And if he's not going to be that, then taking him at 8 just doesn't make sense as he's not a Luke Kuehcly (or Ray Lewis) either. I don't think those of us (at least not myself) saying he's to small to take, are saying he can't be successful, it's that for what we need, he's not big enough to be. I don't think he'll ever be a full time edge rusher, and if we move to a 4-3 base he has almost not shot at being a full time DE. I just don't like the fit for what we need and what we'd be drafting him to hope he becomes. He'd be much better off falling to a team who runs a 4-3 and want him as an OLB who is used as a situational pass rusher, and in that role he could thrive, but it's not what we need right now. If we trade down to 12-15 and he's still there, then yea, I'd be much more open to a player like that there along with the added draft capital. But at 8, it just doesn't make sense to take someone who doesn't fit what you really need right now, which is an edge pass rusher who could also play DE in a 4-3.

My concerns about Walker have nothing to do with who I'd take and everyone knows who that is anyways. If we're taking a 3-4 OLB, I'd rather they be someone who would be a full time pass rusher, who if/when we switch back to a 4-3 in the near future, can seamlessly transition into being a full time DE, which I don't see Walker being able to do. And don't take this as me saying I don't like Walker in general, I think he could be a very good player. I just don't like taking him at 8 given the positional fit issues with him. I'd rather take someone with a lower ceiling but a higher floor because they fit a true position, not someone who is going to be alignment and situation dependent like Walker is likely going to be, particularly early in his career.

My concern with Walker is that he's small, he's not a true edge but he's also not a MLB either. He's a tweener that very well could turn him into a great player, but I just don't love the idea of taking a player like that, with one season of collegiate production, at #8. If he's not a true edge rusher and he's sure as hell not a Kuechly, taking him at 8 just doesn't make sense to me, no matter how much you like the person/player. Just feels like he's Chinn situation all over again, except not a S/LB hybrid, but a LB/DE hybrid this time. He seems like a 3-4 OLB who will split his time rushing the passer and dropping back, which sure, while that can be a valuable player to have, I'd rather be taking someone with more of a defined position regardless of base alignment. I don't think we're going to stick with Evero for the long term, whether he leaves on his own or we go a different way. And once that happens, if/when we move back to a 4-3, a player like Walker is going to struggle even more as he really won't be a great fit for any specific position in that alignment as he's not a 4-3 OLB and he's not big enough to be a full time DE in that alignment either.

What? Jeanty to the Jags is picking up steam? In what world does that make sense when they have Etienne and Bigsby already? If they were picking in the late teens and Jeanty was still there, then sure, maybe you look at it as a great value pick and you trade one or both of those other RBs. But taking one at #5 when you have two quality RBs already just seems like a HORRIBLE decision

Time to play some 4D chess and do our homework on Sanders. If we do that and don't believe he's a franchise QB (which I personally don't think he is), then we need to bluff someone else trying to trade up into our spot and just get the Saints to give us additional picks to swap with us. We saddle them with a QB who is going to hurt the franchise for a few years while we still get to draft whoever we wanted at 8 while picking up more draft capital. Helps us, hurts a divisional opponent.

If we're dropping from 8 to 21 so they can take a QB, then I want 2 future 1sts. That is a massive drop to take in the 1st round and while all those mid round picks would be nice to have, all taking all of them is doing is turning it into another CMC trade where we took overall trade value over high end impact. I want 21, their next two 1sts, and then probably still another 3rd and 4th this year.

I swear this has nothing to do with me obviously wanting T-Mac, but I'm a HARD pass on a WR in the 2nd, literally solely based on our inability to hit on those picks over the years, we're really really bad at it and just seems like we throw those picks away. Much rather use the 2nd on the defensive side of the ball no matter what we do with the 1st round pick.